<div dir="auto">I reduce to two realities: enhanced reality and filtered reality,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some people experience triangles and some people experience images. They aren’t opposites.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just a thought.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 9:54 AM Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Joe, Hi John,</div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br>I spent quite some time for the glossary of the SrrTrains project (several years ago), and my answer is simple, too.<br><br><div>Reality, Virtual Reality, Real Reality</div><div><br></div><div>There is only one reality, but every person carries an own </div><div>model of the reality in his/her/its mind.</div><div>This model helps the person to foresee the future evolution of </div><div>the reality and it helps the person to induce changes to the </div><div>reality according to his/her/its will.</div><div>Virtual reality is a part of the reality that is implemented by </div><div>means of technology and that helps one or more persons (see </div><div>user) to inhabit a virtual scene that needs not be directly </div><div>related to the real reality.</div><div><br></div><div>Strictly spoken, an ancient form of virtual reality is already to </div><div>sit around the camp fire telling stories. Also books and movies</div><div>form kinds of virtual reality.</div><div><br></div><div>Usually we use the narrow term of virtual reality, if some </div><div>minimum technological requirements are fulfilled, e.g. the </div><div>usage of stereoscopic realtime computer graphics.</div><div><br></div><div>We use the term real reality to denote all parts of the reality </div><div>that are not part of the virtual reality in question, but that are </div><div>of relevance for that virtual reality.</div><div><br></div><div>Anything else is just the reality.</div><br>kr,<br>CP/V<br><br><div>--<br>Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App</div><div style="line-height:1"><br><div style="line-height:1"><br>Am 02.05.25, 16:37 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <x3d-public@<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">web3d.org</a>>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">The Metaverse is when you fall, it doesn’t hurt, you don’t get wet, and you didn’t land in bed, foam, sand or plants.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But sometimes, in the metaverse, you try real hard to fall, and the system doesn’t let you.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We’re basically always in 3D, unless you use your third eye and see in triplicate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I remember playing GTA 5 and then driving a real car. Quite a trip!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One can never escape a self-enveloping universe. There’s no outside.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wherever you go, there you are. Jon Kabat-Zinn</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John <br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 9:10 AM Joe D Williams via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">What is the metaverse?<br>
<br>
So, in the wonderful WWW-based<br>
ExperienceVerse we are describing,<br>
one big question comes up.<br>
<br>
How do you know you are using<br>
this Immersive Web?<br>
<br>
Or, in fact, how to tell if you,<br>
as the author or user or participant,<br>
are currently Immersed in any<br>
real, virtual, or mixed digital,<br>
and maybe some analog, simulation<br>
generated by humans and their machines?<br>
<br>
With consultation from:<br>
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannes-behr-501ab67" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannes-behr-501ab67</a><br>
and this Behr-Polys collaboration,<br>
<a href="https://metaverse-standards.org%3Cbr%3Eews/blog/building-the-world-wide-webiverse/" target="_blank">https://metaverse-standards.org<br>ews/blog/building-the-world-wide-webiverse/</a></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height:1"><div style="line-height:1"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br>
it turns out the answer is actually simple.<br>
<br>
When you are navigating and interacting<br>
in a 3D environment then you are there.<br>
<br>
The legacy web is 2D and the metaverse web is 3D,<br>
even nD+1.<br>
<br>
Further we might say the experience is when and where<br>
time and events drive the experience and,<br>
this is important, you have suspended your disbelief<br>
or are otherwise convinced you and your Character/Avatar<br>
can navigate and interact with the given environment.<br>
<br>
So, the virtuality may be a special box on a web page<br>
that shows a realistic spinning tennis shoe that<br>
you can examine.<br>
Or, a highfi realtime simulation of a favorite<br>
exploration as interactive as your equipment<br>
and bandwidth can provide.<br>
It only matters if you directly or<br>
through your digital you,<br>
you can feel like you are a part of the show<br>
and share with others.<br>
<br>
Oh yes, another very important attribute of<br>
this virtual reality concept is that you<br>
must be able to extract your character and<br>
yourself from the production and return to<br>
your natural self. <br>
<br>
Thanks Johannes and All Best,<br>
Joe<br>
<br>
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Hi John,<br>
<br>
I do not want to discuss all those terms (XR, AR, AV, VR), as I have the feeling, they are descriptions of concrete technologies, that tell us, HOW something is implemented.<br>
<br>
My concern is about WHAT are we doing with them?<br>
<br>
More technological term: what's the use case?<br>
<br>
Or generally, what are the effects on society, on the psyche of the people.<br>
<br>
More a philosophic point of view, if you like.<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
CP/V<br>
<br>
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Am 02.05.25, 14:23 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a> (<a="" href=""> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a>)))>:MR used to be a derogatory term. Not preferred. John</<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 6:49 AM Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a> (mailto:<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>)=""> wrote:Correction:</<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
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I mean, MR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of reality, which deals with immersive, interactive, multiuser story telling, command and control<br>
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Am 02.05.25, 13:41 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a> (<a="" href=""> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a>)))>:The "metaverse" is the thing, that is perceived by the user, but that's nothing, that must be specified</<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
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Am 02.05.25, 13:33 schrieb Christoph Valentin via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a> (<a="" href=""> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a>)))>:Hi,</<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
<br>
I like "mixed reality = virtual reality + real reality".<br>
<br>
I mean, VR does not "extend" reality, it's just a special part of reality, which deals with immersive, interactive story telling, command and control<br>
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Am 30.04.25, 20:33 schrieb John Carlson via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a> (<a="" href=""> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a> (<a href="http://web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org</a>)))>:I kind of like “Spatial Internet” is to Metaverse/World as Internet is to Website. Perhaps “extended-reality” would be better than “virtual-reality.” Meaning we’ve extended beyond mere VR into other accessible media including the passive and active external environments. This means that real objects with behaviors can be brought into each metaverse, and many metaverses can be viewed in the metaverse, and state can transfer between metaverses via the external environments. XRML anyone?</<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:06 PM Joe D Williams via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a> (mailto:<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>)=""> wrote:</<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>
This XR idea of our blossoming metaverse to integrate<br>
realtime Spatial anchors and assets of the current reality<br>
with realtime Scene anchors and assets of the current virtuality<br>
means the metaverse definition of our Immersive Web<br>
needs to be extended.<br>
<br>
>From Google Dictionary<br>
(Current) Definition from Oxford Languages &middot;<br>
met&middot;a&middot;verse<br>
/ˈmedəˌvərs/<br>
noun Computing<br>
<br>
"a virtual-reality space in which users can interact with<br>
a computer-generated environment and other users"<br>
<br>
New Extended Candidate:<br>
metaverse or webiverse or webimetaverse, or whatever, you get the idea.<br>
<br>
"a virtual-reality space in which a user can interact with<br>
the real external environment,<br>
a computer-generated environment,<br>
and other real and virtual users"<br>
<br>
All Good for the WWW,<br>
Joe<br>
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