<div dir="auto">Okay, tossing another log on the fire.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m pretty sure Joe and Don recommended these models below be revisited to restructure the Joints to include proper children (either HAnimJoint or HAnimSegment, moving Transform nodes). HAnimDisplacers are placed in a non-children field.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also reconsider how X_ITE, Sunrize and Castle handle these models. That’s probably up to them. <span>What’s more convenient? Should X3DGroupingNode parent of HAnimJoint in X3D4 be considered or not? How is HAnim different than X3D4?</span></div><div dir="auto"><span><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span>Should we standardize on engineering or design?</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Trying to balance X3D4, HAnim and what we want in newer versions of the standards. Can standards design accept feedback from practice? If every browser accepts Transform, etc. children of HAnimJoint, is there good reason not to standardize on that? I fully understand we probably want most stuff under HAnimSegment, which is stuck to the HAnimJoint in all cases I am aware of.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Joe mentioned an exception of more than one HAnimSegment for an HAnimJoint which breaks the HAnim standard for Joint (read the children paragraph?)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Maybe I haven’t read well enough?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 1:35 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><pre style="font-size:11.05px;margin-left:25px;font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></pre><pre style="font-size:11.05px;margin-left:25px;font-family:monospace"><font style="font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0)">See examples in the archive, e.g.:</font></pre><pre style="font-size:11.05px;margin-left:25px;font-family:monospace"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/WinterAndSpring/LilyAnimatedIndex.html" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">Humanoid Animation X3D Examples Archive, Winter And Spring, Lily Animated</a>
<a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/WinterAndSpring/LeifAnimatedIndex.html" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">Humanoid Animation X3D Examples Archive, Winter And Spring, Leif Animated</a>
<a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/WinterAndSpring/TufaniAnimatedIndex.html" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">Humanoid Animation X3D Examples Archive, Winter And Spring, Tufani Animated</a>
</pre><pre style="font-size:11.05px;margin-left:25px;font-family:monospace" dir="auto"><span style="font-size:11.05px">John</span><br></pre></div>
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