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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Hello group, it has been some time. X3D is fully capable of handling avatars, teleportation, objects, doors, vehicles, and any other moving elements with speed at a massively multi-user scale, using relatively little additional support, as I and others have demonstrated using modest resources. X3DNPVEI members never had the budgets available to large companies, including many members of the X3D Consortium. We have spent years in development without compensation. It would not be fair to simply release everything into the public domain, only to have well-financed entities adopt it while disregarding those who did the original work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>While I support open standards, implementing those standards in working code goes beyond the specification itself and does not necessarily require open-source distribution. That distinction has been a central reason for the prolonged standstill regarding multi-user development over the years. The real issue is not the technology, but the absence of a fair deployment model that properly recognizes all contributors. That gap remains unresolved, which is why efforts to implement MU continue, largely unnecessarily, since the technical challenges were addressed years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Gina Lauren<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Simplified Arabic Fixed"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Simplified Arabic Fixed";color:#1F497D'>________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Simplified Arabic Fixed"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Simplified Arabic Fixed";color:#1F497D'>* * * Interactive Multimedia - Internet Management * * *<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Simplified Arabic Fixed"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Simplified Arabic Fixed";color:#1F497D'> * * Virtual Reality -- Application Programming * *<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Simplified Arabic Fixed"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Simplified Arabic Fixed";color:#1F497D'> * 3D Net Productions 3dnetproductions.com *<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Carlson [mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com] <br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February 21, 2026 11:43 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> jordircardona@yahoo.com; Chris Thorne<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Cecile Muller; Christoph Valentin; Valentin Christoph; Cecile Muller; GL<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Multiuser X3D<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Of course, a lot of time has passed since these emails.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jordi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>How has MQTT gone? Have you explored CyberTown Revival?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="https://www.cybertownrevival.com/#/">https://www.cybertownrevival.com/#/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I feel I haven’t invested enough time there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have my own solution, but perhaps it’s not as secure. I’ve been trying to do teleoperation in a multi-user manner, such that mathematical parameters can be shared across the network, not just avatar motion:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="https://github.com/coderextreme/JSONvirse">https://github.com/coderextreme/JSONvirse</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have been using Christoph’s server, and my goal is to not have to comply with GDPR.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Here’s my contacts manager front end, which I’ve attempted to port to the web (not checked in).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="https://github.com/coderextreme/abstractionmapper">https://github.com/coderextreme/abstractionmapper</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This way, your contacts and meetings are stored local-first. Hopefully, nothing is stored on the server that’s user dependent, I did try to write some kind of contacts manager that is probably still there—don’t use it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>If you already like Java, you will probably like the Swing code in my contacts manager!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>John <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 5:18 AM <a href="mailto:jordircardona@yahoo.com">jordircardona@yahoo.com</a> <<a href="mailto:jordircardona@yahoo.com">jordircardona@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thank you so much to everybody for their answers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Cecile, I will look more on the MQTT solution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I will undust my old java Xj3d server I did years ago. For some reason it doesn't run now, I suppose it is because I need to recompile it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Maybe I can do something modern that works.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>-Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span 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Re: X3D and VRML for multiuser worlds (Christoph Valentin)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> 2. Re: X3D and VRML for multiuser worlds (Cecile Muller)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> 3. Re: X3D and VRML for multiuser worlds (Christoph Valentin)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>----------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Message: 1<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 04:49:11 +0100<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From: Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>To: X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Cc: <a href="mailto:jordircardona@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jordircardona@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Subject: Re: [x3d-public] X3D and VRML for multiuser worlds<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <<a href="mailto:trinity-eb515f01-46b6-4593-81af-30cf82b9328c-1609818551281@3c-app-gmx-bap69" target="_blank">trinity-eb515f01-46b6-4593-81af-30cf82b9328c-1609818551281@3c-app-gmx-bap69</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>URL: <<a href="http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/attachments/20210105/cba66e52/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/attachments/20210105/cba66e52/attachment-0001.html</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Message: 2<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 05:25:41 +0100<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From: Cecile Muller <<a href="mailto:contact@wildpeaks.fr" target="_blank">contact@wildpeaks.fr</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>To: X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Subject: Re: [x3d-public] X3D and VRML for multiuser worlds<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <CADPGUPY63LvMRMxBWYcbOdsWmSRqGN1P_dC=<a href="mailto:QTL8GCFryTgaCQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">QTL8GCFryTgaCQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Good morning (and happy new year !),<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>If you want to build something multi-users, nowadays I'd recommend MQTT:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>it's not specific to 3D,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>so you'd still need to create the application on top of it, but you could<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>reach both applications and webapps<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>with it (it can even run on low-end devices), and it's a proper documented<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>standard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Mosquitto on a small linux server is enough to get started,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>or you could use something like PubNub to not worry about scaling the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>backend.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>See you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Cecile<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>-------------- next part --------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>URL: <<a href="http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/attachments/20210105/e47eab42/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/pipermail/x3d-public_web3d.org/attachments/20210105/e47eab42/attachment-0001.html</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Message: 3<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 05:54:11 +0100<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From: Christoph Valentin <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>To: Cecile Muller <<a href="mailto:contact@wildpeaks.fr" target="_blank">contact@wildpeaks.fr</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Cc: X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Subject: Re: [x3d-public] X3D and VRML for multiuser worlds<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <<a href="mailto:trinity-8175716d-5c46-4447-875e-59890e7d48a1-1609822451717@3c-app-gmx-bs33" target="_blank">trinity-8175716d-5c46-4447-875e-59890e7d48a1-1609822451717@3c-app-gmx-bs33</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Isn't MQTT the protocol of the IoT?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>It needs a broker, doesn't it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Just being curious.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>KR,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Christoph <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Gesendet:?Dienstag, 05. Januar 2021 um 05:25 Uhr<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Von:?"Cecile Muller" <<a href="mailto:contact@wildpeaks.fr" target="_blank">contact@wildpeaks.fr</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>An:?"X3D Graphics public mailing list" <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Betreff:?Re: [x3d-public] X3D and VRML for multiuser worlds<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Good morning (and happy new year !),<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>If you want to build something multi-users, nowadays I'd recommend MQTT: it's not specific to 3D,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>so you'd still need to create the application on top of it, but you could reach both applications and webapps<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>with it (it can even run on low-end devices), and it's a proper documented standard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Mosquitto on a small linux server is enough to get started,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>or you could use something like PubNub to not worry 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