[X3D-Ecosystem] x3dpsail.py

[Don Brutzman]

Apologies if I misunderstood from your prior email, it sounded like you had
created a new build with the same name. That was simply the point of
confusion I was hoping to avoid.

If you are using the official x3d.py (Also known as X3DJSAIL) then that is
super! Providing a reusable package for everybody is certainly a design
goal for that library. Thanks for your many efforts John.

all the best, Don
-- 
Don Brutzman
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics
https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman


On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 23:04 John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don, let me try to clarify, I use x3dpsail.py as the file which loads
> X3DJSAIL into GraalPy.  It’s not another API or package, it’s a binding.
>
> The original x3dpsail.py dates from before x3d.py, remember when I was
> working on the pyjnius python interface to X3DJSAIL, for example, here:
> https://github.com/carlsonsolutiondesign/x3dpsail/blob/master/x3dpsail.py
>
> Obviously, I don’t want to quibble about any x3d trademarks.  I suggest
> that I rename the file to ex3d.py or ex3dpsail.py?  Maybe you should talk
> to AMD about trademarks?   I’m not making any money off any names.
>
> Also recall that I gave up the original x3d python package name that I
> registered.  I can be gracious.   There’s no registered x3dpsail package
> that I know of, so there’s no confusion.  If you care to look at my
> x3dpsail.py now, you will see bunch of references to Java code bindings.
> There’s no science to it.  What I’m trying to say is, it’s impossible to
> use x3dpsail.py without X3DJSAIL.   There’s not going to be an official
> python package, unless web3d supports it.
>
> Anyway, x3dpsail.py  sits on top of X3DJSAIL, hence it’s aptly named.  I
> found commercially supported python on top of the JVM.   Getting off
> pyjnius and onto GraalPy was a great move, and Java’s XML handling is as
> good as python’s.   I can’t say that GraalPy’s python packages have great
> XML support on Windows.  Maybe more recently.
>
> Can I read any encoding into x3d.py yet?  Can I produce good JSON from
> x3d.py?  That’s why I continue to push  X3DJSAIL, and languages related to
> Java.  X3DJSAIL’s ability to validate DOM remains key to validating X3D
> JSON with XML schema, X3DJSAIL and eventually schematron.  Also, X3DJSAIL’s
> JSON stylesheets are great!
>
> Pretty much whatever you want me to do is ok, it’s going to be confusing
> if google continues to refer to X3DPSAIL’s GitHub repository as outdated
> code.  Obviously you want to point to the python x3d package on sourceforge.
>
> What I really wanted was a way to distinguish the GraalPy’s
> X3Dautoclass.py from Pyjnius’.   So I gave it an “unused” filename that was
> familiar.  I can go back to autoclass, if desired, since Pyjnius is
> retired.   I needed a way to distinguish GraalPy from Pyjnius so people
> wouldn’t confuse the files.  x3dpsail.py was unused at the time.   So
> great, you’re arguing about a filename.
>
> I think you would agree that X3DJSAIL is preferred over x3d.py?
>
> Do you want me to remove the X3D trademark from everything?  Just plainly
> state that.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 10:43 PM Don Brutzman <don.brutzman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John, thanks for all efforts but am not sure what you are doing.  It is
>> not a good idea to call a different codebase exactly the same name as the
>> original.
>>
>> Perhaps yours is a different fork?  Or something quite different?  Please
>> come up with a different way to refer to it.
>>
>> The original X3DPSAIL x3d.py remains available as follows.  It is
>> currently up to date, with further modifications possible in September.
>> Each release goes through an extensive testing and review process.
>>
>>    - Python X3D Package x3d.py
>>    - X3D Python Scene Access Interface Library (X3DPSAIL)
>>    - https://www.web3d.org/x3d/stylesheets/python/python.html
>>    - https://pypi.org/project/x3d
>>    - latest release 15 JAN 2025, exactly matching the X3D 4.0
>>    Architecture International Standard (IS)
>>
>> If you have been working on any of the open TODO items listed on the
>> X3DPSAIL page, I'll be happy to look at them when the spotlight of effort
>> comes around again.
>>
>> Very respectfully yours, Don
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 6:11 PM John Carlson via X3D-Ecosystem <
>> x3d-ecosystem at web3d.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I just discovered that x3dpsail.py could not be downloaded from a
>>> X3DJSONLD 12,  here:
>>> https://coderextreme.net/X3DJSONLD/src/main/html/responsive.html
>>>
>>> So I am making it available here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/coderextreme/X3DJSONLD/blob/master/src/main/graalpy/net/coderextreme/data/x3dpsail.py
>>>
>>>
>>> This is for use with GraalVM’s GraalPy, available here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/oracle/graalpython/releases/tag/graal-24.2.2
>>>
>>> I use this version:
>>>
>>> graalpy-community-jvm-24.2.2-windows-amd64.zip
>>> <https://github.com/oracle/graalpython/releases/download/graal-24.2.2/graalpy-community-jvm-24.2.2-windows-amd64.zip>
>>>
>>> The JVM is for accessing Java code (X3DJSAIL).
>>>
>>> Apologies for the oversight.
>>>
>>> I will publish a blog post.
>>>
>>> John
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