[X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)

Tue Mar 1 11:14:52 PST 2011

Hello Joe,

While we are on the subject, I have asked you this before
but I think you missed it. There is a link at 

http://www.web3d.org/x3d/workgroups/h-anim/

for ISO-IEC-19775 X3D Component 26 Humanoid Animation
(H-Anim) which describes H-Anim interfaces in terms of the
X3D scenegraph... 

That link is broken. Where else can I obtain this? If I am
asking the wrong person then, can someone else help?

Apologies for hijacking this thread, maybe I am not
getting this right, but, I have difficulties getting
around my head how server side rasterization can work with
X3D other than with the MovieTexture node. 

Thanks,
Lauren

>-----Original Message-----
>From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org [mailto:x3d-public-
>bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of Joe D Williams
>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:09 PM
>To: Sven-Erik Tiberg; npolys at vt.edu; x3d-public at web3d.org
>Cc: luca.chittaro at uniud.it
>Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sven-Erik Tiberg" <Sven-Erik.Tiberg at ltu.se>
>To: <npolys at vt.edu>; <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>Cc: <luca.chittaro at uniud.it>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> A note.
>> Would it be possible to create a object similar to
>dynamic h-anim,
>> looking and behaving like a moose.
>
>THe basis for h-anim comes from general-purpose
>hierarchical animation
>needs. That is, the shoulder joint is connected to the
>elbow joint,
>for example, such that when the shoulder joint is moved,
>then the
>elbow joint is translated accordingly as expected. To
>follow the same
>technique for a different character, just position the
>joints and
>segments you chose to use depending upon the level of
>articulation you
>need in skeleton space then build the skin in skin space
>(hopefully
>the same as skeleton space), connect it up and animate
>the thing.
>
>>
>> No I'm not kidding, in the future we hope to create a
>X3D-sceen for
>> driver simulator with "living" moose and reindeers (
>they are not so
>> exotic up here but more real and a hazard on the roads
>).
>> Could be that the same motion pattern can be used for
>deers and elks
>> and ..
>
>possibly. Note that the selection of initial binding time
>joint
>rotation is important.
>
>Good Luck and Best Regards,
>Joe
>
>
>>
>> /Sven-Erik Tiberg
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org
>> [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>Sven-Erik Tiberg
>> Sent: den 1 mars 2011 08:51
>> To: npolys at vt.edu; x3d-public at web3d.org
>> Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation
>(RMI)
>>
>>
>> If there are a need for extending the h-anim kinematic
>capacity I
>> would have a look at Modelica https://www.modelica.org/
>And  (
>> openmodelica ) https://www.modelica.org/ for
>calculation of dynamic
>> behavior.
>>
>> IMHO it would not be impossible to interface an
>openmodelica model
>> that runs in Real Time to a X3D sceen.
>>
>> On animiation of human I would like to suggest that you
>take a look
>> at http://hcilab.uniud.it/index.html  and it's editor
>H-Animator
>> http://hcilab.uniud.it/demos-videos/item11.html
>>
>> /Sven-Erik Tiberg
>> Lulea Univ of Technology
>> Sweden
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org
>> [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>Nicholas F. Polys
>> Sent: den 28 februari 2011 21:34
>> To: x3d-public at web3d.org
>> Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation
>(RMI)
>>
>> One of our members was working on this spec some time
>ago (2001),
>> perhaps a good integration target with H-Anim for such
>a platform or
>> communication layer: HumanML
>> http://www.oasis-
>open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=humanmarkup
>>
>> it does mention kinesthetics in the overview but I am
>really not
>> sure where it has been adopted.
>> ?
>>
>> br,
>>
>> _n_polys
>>
>> On 2/28/2011 1:54 PM, Joe D Williams wrote:
>>>> And what if the script could recive states ( ROUTED
>events ) from
>>>> the
>>>> 3D browser and do a animation on the fly using
>inverse kinematics,
>>>> that would be cool.
>>>
>>> I think the basic needed structure for that is in the
>X3D H-Anim
>>> spec.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven-Erik Tiberg"
>>> <Sven-Erik.Tiberg at ltu.se>
>>> To: "John Carlson" <john.carlson3 at sbcglobal.net>;
>>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation
>(RMI)
>>>
>>>
>>>> What if using an from the browser external motion
>engine as you
>>>> mention, but let the motion engine host in the client
>computer.
>>>> Communicating new states to the 3D-browser (to a  h-
>amin model )
>>>> trough a script.
>>>> And what if the script could recive states ( ROUTED
>events ) from
>>>> the
>>>> 3D browser and do a animation on the fly using
>inverse kinematics,
>>>> that would be cool.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for bringing up this subject.
>>>>
>>>> /Sven-Erik Tiberg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org
>>>> [mailto:x3d-public-bounces at web3d.org] On Behalf Of
>John Carlson
>>>> Sent: den 26 februari 2011 05:49
>>>> To: <x3d-public at web3d.org> mailing list
>>>> Subject: [X3D-Public] remote motion invocation (RMI)
>>>>
>>>> Instead of downloading motion into a 3D scene, how
>about uploading
>>>> motion into a remote social network server or robot?
>One could
>>>> upload motions to a remote server, and then invoke
>them with
>>>> parameters.  One could create classes aggregating
>motion methods,
>>>> instantiate classes to create behaviors in avatars or
>robots.
>>>>
>>>> What if H-Anim was used to upload and control avatars
>remotely,
>>>> instead of downloaded models?  What I am thinking of
>is something
>>>> like Kinect/PrimeSense for primitive motion input + a
>programming
>>>> language for
>repetition/parameterization/classes/instantation.
>>>> What
>>>> if I chose a protocol/programming such as JavaScript?
>>>>
>>>> Does DIS do this?  Are there any patents to be aware
>of?  If we
>>>> use
>>>> something like Caja on the server, or sandbox the
>motion on the
>>>> server, could we insure the security of such an
>endeavor?
>>>>
>>>> Initially, I am thinking only of video download.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> John Carlson
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>> --
>> Nicholas F. Polys Ph.D.
>>
>> Director of Visual Computing
>> Virginia Tech Information Technology
>>
>> Affiliate Research Professor
>> Virginia Tech Computer Science
>>
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