[x3d-public] [x3d] X3D meeting minutes for 4 April 2018: X3D Profiles, Feedback on Mantis Issues, HAnim updates to X3D spec

Wed Apr 4 10:08:48 PDT 2018

The difference in the mantis login process to me appeared to be dependent
on which project was selected.

John

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018, 1:05 PM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:

> Attendees: Anita Havele, Vince Marcetti, Nicholas Polys, Dick Puk, Don
> Brutzman.
>
> On 4/3/2018 9:03 AM, Don Brutzman wrote:
> > The X3D Working addresses all X3D specification issues and coordinates
> the technical development of future improvements.
> >
> >      X3D Graphics Working Group
> >      http://www.web3d.org/working-groups/x3d
> >
> > We will meet at regular time (0800 pacific) tomorrow Wednesday 4 April
> 2018 using Web3D Teleconference line.
> >
> >      Web3D Teleconference
> >      http://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information
> >
> > Here is our agenda for next week.
> >
> > 1. *Review minutes*.   Confirm or correct last week's minutes at
> >
> >      X3D Working Group meeting minutes 28 March 2018:
> >      tutorials, HAnim DIS, X3D Profiles, Feedback and Mantis Issue
> Tracking
> >
> http://web3d.org/mailman/private/x3d_web3d.org/2018-March/006933.html
>
> Accepted.
>
> > This is a good point to note whether any other new business might be
> added to this meeting agenda.
>
> Web3D 2018 Conference reviews are well underway and we expect conference
> registration to open soon.
>
>
> > 2. *X3D Profiles page*. Last week we had a good discussion and new
> diagram by Vince Marchetti.  We will review and agree on specific
> improvements to the page.
> >
> >      X3D Profiles
> >      http://www.web3d.org/x3d/profiles
>
> Updated version of the figure is at the same address as reported earlier:
>
> > A draft replacement for the Profiles diagram is attached, source file
> (SVG) at
> >
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ex4A_3_Ahb39izfjq2vnaVMGJ8l7GoLN?usp=sharing
>
> We looked at the X3D Specification and discussed whether the X3D
> Specification might benefit from adding this conceptual diagram.
>
> We agreed to add it as new Figure 4.4 to draft X3D v4.0 specification,
> with cross-checking for comprehensive match and moving some of the labeling
> into figure metadata.  It will be added to
>
>         4.6 Profiles
>         4.6.1 Overview
>
> We will also add MedicalInterchange profile to the bullet list in
> paragraph 4.6.1.
>
> Vince will check in original, SVG and png into github for X3D v4.  We
> replaced the figure in the website profiles page.  Had trouble with image
> sizing, the website seems to be overriding requested image width of 400px.
>
> Continuing improvement will be considered next week.
>
>
> > 3. *Public and Member Feedback* and *Mantis Issues*.
> >
> > We have a lot of specifications!  Completing and maintaining them is
> important, so streamlining participation with process-based procedures is
> import.
> >
> > During last week's meeting we had a good review of the detailed
> summaries for each of these activities.  They are now collected as an
> entry-level overview page at
> >
> >      Mantis Issue Tracking and Review
> >      http://www.web3d.org/mantis-issue-tracking-and-review
> >
> > Please review this page.  Following this week's discussion, if ready, we
> can ask that it be added to the menu lists as entry point for Mantis.
>
> We fiddled with Mantis Access section and improved the words a bit.  This
> bears continued scrutiny.  We are not consistently seeing the same login
> process, which is curious.
>
> The page looks helpful enough that it can be integrated into the website.
> We request that the following sentence be added in the Web3D Standards
> Comment Form:
>
> "_Mantis Issue Tracking and Review" describes X3D Working Group procedures
> for reviewing feedback and improving Web3D specifications."
>
> Entered as Mantis website issue 1235 for Executive Director and Webmaster
> resolution.
> http://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1235
>
> > We also talked through the need to have each draft and proposed
> specification listed on the selection menu in the comments form.
> >
> >      Web3D Standards Comment Form
> >      http://www.web3d.org/content/web3d-standards-comment-form
> >
> >      Mantis 1232: Additional menu items needed on Web3D Specification
> Comments form
> >      http://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1232
> >      (work approved and assigned)
> >
> >      X3D Graphics Standards: Specification Relationships
> >
> http://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dSpecificationRelationships.png
>
> No change.
>
> > 4. *Humanoid Animation (HAnim) Update*.
> >
> > Quite a lot continues to happen, status is online for members at
> >
> >      Urgent HAnim Specification Improvements for DIS Submission
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v1peZ-k-k4u6vGAAEHtw5qEN-3OTZmpN3Vg3kNJgVp4
> >
> > We will look at the potential changes needed in the X3D v4 Abstract
> Specification to match these HAnim Architecture and HAnim Motion Animation
> improvements.
> >
> > Spec "linkology" follows to facilitate meeting review.
> >
> >      X3D v3.3 International Standard (IS), Humanoid animation (H-Anim)
> component
> >
> http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/hanim.html
> >
> >      https://github.com/Web3DConsortium (requires member login)
> >
> >      X3D v4.0 Abstract Specification, Working Draft 1
> >
> https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/X3D/tree/master/ISO-IEC%2019775/ISO-IEC%2019775-1/ISO-IEC%2019775-1%20V4.0/ISO-IEC%2019775-1%20V4.0%20WD1
> >
> >      specifically X3D v4.0 Abstract Specification, Working Draft 1,
> Humanoid animation (H-Anim) component
> >
> https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/X3D/blob/master/ISO-IEC%2019775/ISO-IEC%2019775-1/ISO-IEC%2019775-1%20V4.0/ISO-IEC%2019775-1%20V4.0%20WD1/Part01/components/hanim.html
> >
> >      HAnim Architecture draft DIS
> >
> https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/H-Anim/tree/master/ISO-IEC%2019774/ISO-IEC%2019774-1/ISO-IEC%2019774-1%20V2.0/ISO-IEC%2019774-1%20V2.0%20DIS%20Prep
> >
> >      HAnim Motion Capture draft DIS
> >
> https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/H-Anim/tree/master/ISO-IEC%2019774/ISO-IEC%2019774-2/ISO-IEC%2019774-2%20V2.0/ISO-IEC%2019774-2%20V2.0%20DIS%20Prep
>
> Expected changes in X3D v4.0 specification:
>
> a. Review and possible tweaking of existing HAnim node interfaces and
> prose, matching refinements in the HAnim specification editors (perhaps an
> hour's work).
>
> b. Expect insertion of HAnimMotion node under 26.3 Node reference, likely
> as 26.3.4 between HAnimJoint and HAnimSegment.
>
> c. Expect addition of HAnimMotion support in section 26.4 Support levels,
> Table 26.2 — Humanoid animation (H-Anim) component support levels.
>
> d. Given that HAnimMotion is something completely new, and not expected as
> part of legacy X3D v3.3 players, our past practice (and current good
> sense!) would add new Level 2 for supporting HAnimMotion nodes.
>
> e. Direct interpoloation support (corresponding to HAnimMotion
> functionality) requires PositionInterpolator, OrientationInterpolator,
> TimeSensor/ROUTE.  We will consider how to best align this requirement in
> the prose.
>
> f. It is likely we will add support for *.bvh file format as part of
> HAnimMotion node functionality.  This may add a subsection under 26.2
> Concepts.
>
> These seem straightforward.  Specification editors will continue work, in
> coordination with HAnim group.
>
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>
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> Thanks for all interest and activity.  Have fun with X3D!  8)
>
> all the best, Don
> --
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> brutzman at nps.edu
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