[x3d-public] python and netbeans (was: Command-line/ant database client?)
John Carlson
yottzumm at gmail.com
Fri Jun 25 08:34:30 PDT 2021
Yeah, I went with pycharm. It’s easy to right click on python file to run
it. One can also use python from command-line. That way I am free from any
ant or Java dependencies? Requiring people to install NetBeans, Java and
ant to run a Python project seems really odd?
Python plus documentation seems ok.
I’m not approaching xslt yet. Based on previous experience, I know that
stylesheets written in one version of Saxon do not work in others, and
there’s a line folding problem in the Saxon version we use. Yes, there
are workarounds, but that means not using Saxon! Are there sufficient
problems with the Oracle native xslt processor that we can’t use it for
everything?
I really need a nice way to install python packages. Right now I use
shell scripts, but an IDE which supports python packages seems appropriate.
There are good answers for ant in the python world—setup.py scripts which
we should probably use and even call from ant!
Is there an XSLT solution for python?
John
On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 9:50 AM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
> X3DUOM and X3DPSAIL (x3d.py) are produced by taking data structures in XML
> and converting them via XSLT stylesheets.
>
> In this manner, there is no dependency on Netbeans per se. For automation
> purposes, I use Ant from within Netbeans to facilitate logging,
> repeatability and version control.
>
> * X3D Unified Object Model (X3DUOM)
> https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3DUOM.html
>
> * Python X3D Package x3d.py
> X3D Python Scene Access Interface Library (X3DPSAIL)
> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/stylesheets/python/python.html
>
> Thus it couldn't be simpler, there are no tool dependencies.
>
> Meanwhile, not finding any current Python plugins or customization for
> NetBeans.
>
>
> On 6/19/2021 1:44 PM, John Carlson wrote:
> >
> > Looks like NetBeans 12.4 does not support Python projects????
> >
> > What do you use for x3d.py? An older version of NetBeans?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > John
> >
> > On 6/19/21 3:08 PM, John Carlson wrote:
> >> (I’m in a better mood)
> >>
> >> I have been doing JSON schema generation for a long time in python,
> I’ve been adding validators in various languages, and I’ve been testing X3D
> Examples. I’ve also added validating all the schemas against draft07.
> The python generation code is stable, but undocumented, for the most part.
> I think what you want is online documentation. The Everit code base is
> what I use in Java. I can’t setup Everit on your machine. I tried to set
> up a reasonable testing environment for schemas copied from X3DJSONLD, but
> it still requires bash (which will download and compile jars, using maven),
> and does not conform to a NetBeans project. The Java and JavaScript code
> is on GitHub under coderextreme/x3dschema. Currently schema generation
> requires jsonlint, and one needs to run the driver script like:
> >>
> >> python3 generateSchemas.py
> >> (under X3DJSONLD/src/main/python)
> >>
> >> I’m not mentally prepared to do the same in .xslt, I’ll leave that to
> the smart people with the appropriate tools. I can read xslt well enough
> to make minor modifications in vim.
> >>
> >> Schemas will be found in ../schema or ../schemas or online at github,
> checked in under coderextreme/X3DJSONLD
> >>
> >> So my read on this is you want JSON schema in a NetBeans project. I
> admit I’ve been using the master branch of Everit from GitHub. In a
> temporary folder that only gets checked out when I delete it.
> >> ===========
> >>
> >> I have an existing test case for loading a JSON file into X3DJSAIL with
> X3DJSONLD.java These things are under
> x3d/stylesheets/java/src/net/coderextreme on
> >> sourceforge. My understanding at this point is you want a NetBeans
> project with a proper test case, currently in JsonConversion.java. There
> are issues with the results from that test case. I suggest searching your
> mail archives for JsonConversion. I can trade a NetBeans project with an
> effort to patch the problems I found when comparing outputs with inputs.
> >>
> >> Note that I only recently brought up the stylesheets project under
> NetBeans.
> >>
> >> I do not feel comfortable checking code into sourceforge right now.
> >>
> >> I do feel that we could create an issue tracker for our projects under
> Mantis, or another installation of Mantis. Or GitHub issues, or something
> under sourceforge. Feel free to add issues to my GitHub repositories.
> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Using email for issue tracking is comparable to using vim for code
> editing.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:48 AM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu
> <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for your thoughts John.
> >>
> >> We have everything we need for both data and metadata in the X3D4
> Architecture.
> >>
> >> Our tasks at hand are to get corresponding file encodings and
> programming languages well defined (in specifications), well supported (in
> tools) and well demonstrated (in examples).
> >>
> >> We are making steady progress on all counts. We need to do well at
> those, work continues. As we do so, many other things become relatively
> easy and will come our way. No need to chase in every direction.
> >>
> >> And so let's keep working on tasks at hand.
> >>
> >> Am getting closer at CORS support for authors in X3D-Edit. Tricky
> business, requires careful implementation that will help. So I am not
> irritated about tools whatsoever, quite the opposite. Am finding that all
> of the pieces/parts needed are out there, am putting them together in one
> place. X3D-Edit beta is already helping with our improvement of X3D model
> production, onward we go.
> >>
> >> Please advise where your latest greatest for the following key
> items might be, I'll continue working in that direction.
> >>
> >> a. JSON Schema (can we finally autogenerate) and stable library
> support (Java please) for integrating in examples.
> >>
> >> b. Example Java code to integrate in X3DJSAIL for loading JSON.
> (hopefully testable in a simple program also utilizing the x3djsail full
> jar.)
> >>
> >> Please do not just point at a url and say "Everything is Found in
> the Giant Hidden Valley Way Over Yonder." Well intentioned no doubt, but
> unfortunately not actionable, I have no time permitting re-exploration of
> your journeys.
> >>
> >> Small steps from something existing to something additional are
> much preferred. So please curate and instead offer "here is the simple
> implementation, and example test." That is easier to examine, implement,
> evaluate and add.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps. Thanks for your important efforts.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/18/2021 2:10 PM, John Carlson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Seeking better tools: irritated too. We have ways to get text,
> image, price/product, math, geo and video results from a search engine, but
> not meshes, graphs, systems (do we have good ways to make systems
> searchable?), and networks, except for social connections, perhaps. Where
> are 3, 4 and fractional dimensional results? I’m aware of what Princeton
> has shown with shapes. I think the main issue may be we don’t have good
> ways to query such things…neo4j query language perhaps? GraphQL? Are there
> demos on the web? SPARQL? Where are the VR results?
> >> >
> >> > What ways are there to search across the 3D web? Can I search
> for 3D house models? Net-lists? How can the web be better oriented for 3D
> search? What if we could develop something for searching Minecraft servers?
> >> >
> >> > What is the equivalent of grep for 3D? Is there a better X3D
> encoding for searching? I’m aware of metadata. Say I want to pull all
> <Shape>’s out of a file system or remote folder and display/browse or save
> them? How do I grep STL files?
> >> >
> >> > ===============
> >> >
> >> > For bash-sql
> >> >
> >> > I agree, Don, seems like the best approach is to keep a log of
> test results, but I don’t know if I should create a separate script or
> not. That is, maintain a script for transient results in addition to a
> script that keeps results in version control for comparison.
> >> >
> >> > I looked into GitHub Actions for a bit, I’m not sure if I can
> introduce a custom shell script that takes a lot of CPU time.
> >> >
> >> > I don’t really like databases anyway—I don’t have the mindset for
> it. If there was a good integration between bash and SQL I might be more
> interested. I assume that power-shell might have something, but I’m not
> sure of cross platform compatibility.
> >> >
> >> > Note: both vim and emacs have database integrations.
> >> >
> >> > I guess I could write my own scripting language? Hmm. What
> are people missing from their current environments?
> >> >
> >> > Does Tcl or Ant do pipelines? I guess include/exclude may solve
> that issue.
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps it’s time for me to write up some requirements to go
> shopping for a different environment.
> >> >
> >> > I haven’t bought into the graphical IDE mindset at the moment.
> I’m not sure why. Perhaps if I could grep and find across web pages easily
> (wget? curl? lynx?). I know eclipse has a way to search across files.
> >> >
> >> > =======
> >> >
> >> > I’m sorry I’m such a noob.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu
> <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu> <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu <mailto:
> brutzman at nps.edu>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 6/17/2021 6:35 PM, John Carlson wrote:
> >> > > Anyone know of a command-line database client?
> >> >
> >> > dozens, see Vince email
> >> >
> >> > > Are you interested in a possible ant integration, Don?
> >> >
> >> > no, they require a lot of upkeep and break or get garbled
> over time
> >> >
> >> > XML and catalogs preferred, inspectable and doesn't break.
> >> >
> >> > even better is consistent file naming and directory
> structures, ant just handles that. see our 4000 examples.
> >> >
> >> > > I will be using it for inserting and selecting test
> results. It should probably keep track of test runs, for example.
> >> >
> >> > if you wish - no problem with that, but not advisable as a
> shared resource.
> >> >
> >> > all the best, Don
> >> > --
> >> > Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutzman at nps.edu <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu> <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu
> <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>>
> >> > Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
> >> > X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman <http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman> <
> http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman <http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman>>
> >> >
> >>
> >> all the best, Don
> >> --
> >> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutzman at nps.edu <mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>
> >> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
> >> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman <http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman>
> >>
>
> all the best, Don
> --
> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutzman at nps.edu
> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
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