[x3d-public] IEEE Metaverse Congress Open Session Panel Thurs Dec 8

Tue Dec 13 21:33:38 PST 2022

If you want to load VRML files into a web browser, try X_ITE:
https://github.com/create3000/x_ite

GL, sorry for delay!

(note: NOT XITE).

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 7:12 PM Daniel Alexandre <bicomplex at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Vince Marchetti and John Carlson. I did not receive the email of
> Leonard Daily on Oct 28 2022,but today I realise it is on the web, on the
> archives.
> It is good someone cared for calculations and help me do some as well. But
> to complicate. I did not ask about models with any kind of fine detail
> features, was about a kind of bare minimum Google Maps 3D,
> that I like to call "50 shades of Blank", like a mockup of london made by
> architect made in plaster (with the help of some chalk) with the radius (in
> meters) of Greater London but in the ratio 1:100..000???
>
> I was talking of the BOX, that maybe should be the next HTML5 tag (to be
> used more than <script> and <WebGL> and <OpenGL>, right? So that we don't
> all get mad and die, right? Not.
> And the box, of our .wgl textfile that would end up being just a HTML5
> file like .htm and .html could not be tilted so the base of box would
> always be perpendicular to our imaginary force of Gravity.
>
>
> Gigabytes... quiz: a) 500.5 Gb b) Less than 50 Gb c) Much more than
> 5000.55 Gb d) 5 Millions Gb 6) You tell me, right. Not Come every Wednesday
> Night for our nice Quiz and.. have babes!
> Anyway, the answer is: ...
> Right. I have no idea.
>
>
> Gigabytes... quiz: a) 500.5 Gb b) Less than 50 Gb c) Much more than
> 5000.55 Gb d) 5 Millions Gb 6) You tell me, right. Not Come every Wednesday
> Night for our nice Quiz and.. have babes!
>
> Now, if the only nice thing about the VRML 2 with textfiles with extension
> .wrl is having the box that cannot tilt but can be skinned with textures
> that are just SVG or animated SVG or its code, make we could
> make the bridge with a new html tag: <box>.
> This way we don't have to learn anything that still looks like OpneGL and
> the future of GPUs...
>
> Still I would love that firefox could natively be able to render most .wrl
> files with the help of the project FreeWRL and (or either) a new add-on
> plug-in in our browser. Play.
>
> Daniel Alexandre, BEng (Hons)
> London, UK.
> Nickname: remotemass
>
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 12:14, vmarchetti at kshell.com <vmarchetti at kshell.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Daniel
>>
>> You asked this question, restricted to a map of London, on Oct 28 2022,
>> and received a prompt reply to the list from Leonard Daly on the with
>> experienced insight into how to estimate such a file size. It would help
>> the usefulness of the x3d-public mailing list if you included that
>> information and any progress it enabled you to make in this followup
>> question.
>>
>> Vince Marchetti
>>
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 10:04 PM, Daniel Alexandre <bicomplex at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Ronald, Vince and Joe,
>> I would certainly be interested in participating in a metaverse event
>> organized by IEEE peeps and also I have been having answered questions for
>> a long time that seem quite simple and important to address,
>> namely, what could be the bare minimum size in Gigabytes of a textfile,
>> let's say using HTML and Javascript for a browser ready for WebGL apps,
>> that was enough to surf and fly around a 3D model of Google maps that I
>> like to call "50 Shades of Blank"? Let's say, what do you think could be
>> the minimum size of a very rough Google Earth where the built environment
>> was all replaced by rough boxes and 3D rectangles or very regular solids
>> with a very flat polygonal base like the box used in VRML in files with
>> extension .wrl that are till possible to be rendered and surfed in very old
>> browsers that used to be the modern ones? And let's say that you wanted to
>> skin the roads, parks, desert areas and land and all the facades of all
>> houses, bridges and buildings with rectangular illustrations saved in the
>> file format SVG or coded and animated using some simple script and markup?
>> What do you think would be a quite bare minimum and reasonable size for
>> such a model of the plant's built environment that could run on a very old
>> version of Firefox in a single textfile with extension .wrl and please show
>> all your calculations, estimations and reasoning at least in a very
>> plaintext draft and sum up of ideas?
>> Are there any other academics from www.uis.cam.ac.uk/partners other than
>> Ronald around. I have no sound idea how busy this list may be, is it more
>> than one thousand people reading this message and questioning? i tried the
>> W3C VRML mailing-list but it seems is not the same moderator as this one
>> and is quite inactive these days. Also tied to get the answer some other
>> ways with the Naked Scientists, from Cambridge University in the UK and
>> also with StackOverflow, Fiverr and Ask-Crew but not any conclusive answers
>> as you see:
>> https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=85637 .
>>
>> *Daniel Alexandre*, with the help of ChatGPT, by openAi.
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 at 16:11, Vincent Marchetti <vmarchetti at kshell.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am forwarding message from Ronald Haynes, a leader of the IIIF
>>> (international Image Interoperability Forum) 3D Technical Study Group.
>>>
>>> The IEEE Metaverse Congress Session is free, open to all with advance
>>> registration at
>>> https://engagestandards.ieee.org/Metaverse-Congress-5.html, and takes
>>> place 1 pm to 3 pm EST on Thu Dec 8 2022
>>> The title of a panel session is "Challenges & Risks in Evolving 3D
>>> Standards for the Metaverse" . The Web3D Consortium will be represented on
>>> the panel.
>>>
>>> Vince Marchetti
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Begin forwarded message:
>>> >
>>> > From: Ronald Haynes <rsh27 at cam.ac.uk>
>>> > Subject: IIIF 3D update / IEEE Standards Metaverse Congress
>>> collaboration / (this week)
>>> > Date: December 5, 2022 at 10:46:41 AM EST
>>> >
>>> > Dear All,
>>> >
>>> > Pardon a rushed message, however there are some IIIF 3D-related events
>>> this week which will be of interest:
>>> >
>>> >       • IIIF (International Image Interoperability Framework) - 2022
>>> Online Meeting, December 6-8, 2022 -
>>> https://iiif.io/event/2022/online-meeting
>>> > (as you will know, the IIIF 3D update is on Wednesday 7th December,
>>> 12:00 ET / 17:00 UTC)
>>> >
>>> >       • IEEE Metaverse Congress Session 5 -
>>> https://engagestandards.ieee.org/Metaverse-Congress-5.html
>>> > (this is part of the less-hyped, more research-oriented side of
>>> metaverse development, and there will be a IIIF 3D panel - Thu 8th
>>> December, 13:30 ET / 18:30 UTC)
>>> > (regrettably, this overlaps some of the IIIF Online Meeting, however,
>>> if you cannot attend both you can still register for both to see the
>>> recordings)
>>> > Please spread the word about these events, and hope to see you there
>>> (or soon)!
>>> >
>>> > Take Care,
>>> > Ronald
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Ronald Haynes, University Senior Computer Officer, University of
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>>> Specification groups (https://iiif.io/community/groups/3d)
>>>
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