[x3d-public] Turning on and off simultaneous animations individually

Wed Feb 5 13:31:07 PST 2025

Remember you can probably look at what X_ITE and FreeWRL did.

Here’s another example, with a wink.
https://github.com/coderextreme/ci2had/blob/main/resources/JinWink.x3d

I have not tried to pare it down at all, but perhaps I can also work on
that.

If it’s okay with you, I will maintain existing geometry, and just take out
HAnimDisplacers and ROUTEs we are uninterested in.

There are more examples in the same folder.

The FACS examples in the HumanoidAnimation/FacialAnimation X3D archives can
serve as a guide, but i believe most of them do not use HAnim.  There’s one
that does, I believe it’s first.

When I provide examples, I will try to ensure they will animate in both
Sunrize and FreeWRL 6.7

John

On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 3:12 PM Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Thanks. I found the tongue.x3d example but if you can create another one
> that would be helpful in general.
>
> You vastly overestimate my ability and availability ;) This would be a
> longer term project. I have an idea what to do.
>
> Andreas
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2025, 1:31 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had one I sent to Holger, probably derived from this one:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/coderextreme/ci2had/blob/main/resources/JinMouthStretch.x3d
>>
>>
>> What I would do (again) is take out all the segments but the tongue.
>>
>> There’s no menus involved in this one.
>>
>> If you need further assistance, like a smaller example, I can help.  Also
>> all the Jin*.x3d FACS action units can also provide examples.
>>
>> I’ll be pretty unbusy today.  I can allocate some time for creating a
>> model, make sure it animates, etc.
>>
>> If you’re able to allocate some time today, great, we have an HAnim
>> meeting tomorrow and showing off X3DOM editor using Displacers would be
>> fantastic!
>>
>> Remember there’s a coord field in HAnimSegment that the HAnimDisplacer
>> operates on!
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 12:01 PM Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> The reason is that Displacers are currently implemented in x3dom only
>>> for Joints, but not for Segments, unfortunately. Do you know of a simple
>>> but instructive test case of Segments with Displacers ?
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2025, 2:33 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will try to test this in castle model converter.
>>>>
>>>> I did try setting a value for the outputOnly fields, but the converter
>>>> wouldn’t shut up.
>>>>
>>>> The model below doesn’t seem to animate when one presses the menu
>>>> items.  Did you get it to animate?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 12:27 PM Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It turns out that x3dom currently expects a default value for Proto
>>>>> fields even for outputOnly fields. This is due to how Proto fields are
>>>>> initialized. They always need to have a value. While the spec. does not
>>>>> require this, it seems still good practice to always define a default value
>>>>> in the ProtoInterface. There may be a case where an outputOnly field is
>>>>> used in ISing where a valid value would be expected. There may be other
>>>>> corner cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is your example with added default values for outputOnly fields:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andreasplesch/af5ff3148c1159f71d34fb78c1f63024/raw/b3d4470107ab74e301ed48448ab2a4f4154672e0/ManyClocks_John.x3d
>>>>>
>>>>> This could be fixed in x3dom, by always setting some default value. Is
>>>>> there a list of recommended defaults for each data type if no other source
>>>>> of defaults is available? For SFTime it seems to be -1.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 7:39 AM Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:48 AM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andreas, "startTime" is an accessType outputOnly field, so why do I
>>>>>>> need to provide a value attribute in fieldValue?  I'm kind of confused.
>>>>>>> I'm probably missing something in the spec.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right, I only outlined scenarios where the accessType allows
>>>>>> input or initialization..
>>>>>> In the outputOnly case it is not necessary to provide a fieldValue
>>>>>> node at all since there is no value which can be provided. Providing the
>>>>>> node would indeed be confusing, to both the user code reader and any X3D
>>>>>> browser.
>>>>>> I believe the spec. is silent on this case in any encoding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best, Andreas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any clarification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have finally enabled schematron on the project, but I'm finding it
>>>>>>> hard to understand the messages, and modifications that I make, while
>>>>>>> removing the immediate problems, seem to move the problems elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Explaining why I need a "startTime" fieldValue value is my main lack
>>>>>>> of understanding, but perhaps I need a whole review of accessType.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Castle Model Converter reports:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> castle-model-converter: Warning: X3D: X3D XML: <fieldValue> element
>>>>>>> references unknown field name "enabled"
>>>>>>> castle-model-converter: Warning: X3D: X3D XML: <fieldValue> element
>>>>>>> references unknown field name "startTime"
>>>>>>> castle-model-converter: Warning: X3D: X3D XML: <fieldValue> element
>>>>>>> references unknown field name "stopTime"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will try providing a field value in the ProtoInterface
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I "cleanup" enabled, startTime and stopTime, I get:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> castle-model-converter: Warning: VRML/X3D: Within prototype
>>>>>>> "MenuItem", event "inputTrue" references (by "IS" clause) non-existing
>>>>>>> event "enabled"
>>>>>>> castle-model-converter: Warning: VRML/X3D: Within prototype
>>>>>>> "MenuItem", event "triggerTime" references (by "IS" clause) non-existing
>>>>>>> event "startTime"
>>>>>>> castle-model-converter: Warning: VRML/X3D: Within prototype
>>>>>>> "MenuItem", event "triggerTime" references (by "IS" clause) non-existing
>>>>>>> event "stopTime"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess what I conclude at this point is, startTime and stopTime are
>>>>>>> bad DEF names, but what about enabled as a field?  The dominoes are falling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About your two scenarios in the other message, perhaps this is
>>>>>>> revealing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See attached attempt to fix original issue, which resulted in the
>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 3:59 PM Andreas Plesch <
>>>>>>> andreasplesch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think x3dom, reasonably, expects a value for the fieldValue nodes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <fieldValue name="startTime" />
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 5:42 AM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andreas, Joe,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reset Button, Reset_Clock added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See attached zip for details, or visit link;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://create3000.github.io/x_ite/playground/?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/CleanedYouClocks.x3d
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For some reason, this link doesn't show the live scene?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/CleanedYouClocks.x3d
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Puzzled, haven't researched it yet.  Looks good in Sunrize and
>>>>>>>>> X_ITE, will try FreeWRL next.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Andreas Plesch
>>>>>>>> Waltham, MA 02453
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andreas Plesch
>>>>>> Waltham, MA 02453
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andreas Plesch
>>>>> Waltham, MA 02453
>>>>>
>>>>
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