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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This seems fto be a commercial trade
off. Flash IS a plugin but it is the clear winner in the download
wars. I base that on comments from experts such as Raph Koster who after
some period have become less critical of X3D as a 3D content language but say
its losses in the download wars are not arguable. Vivaty has been
succeeding by a) smart positioning in the social network space and b)
implementing fewer X3D nodes to get the size and complexity of the plugin
down. This move extends that strategy and it should work.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Consider the compromise. We’ve
been fighting hard to keep a content standard alive because experience informs
us without it our content has a very short lifecycle unless wed directly to a
large server farm world such as SL. Without a content
standard, content makers stay in the poverty gulch. So far, we have only
a few downloads that can implement the entire X3D standard and even then,
incompatibly.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So we trade expressiveness for a better
penetration of the content standard. It is a camel’s nose in a big
tent where until very recently, the camel has been declared DOA or on life
support. Regardless of how one argues it and I’ve been arguing
a long time, if the case for the content standard becomes more widely accepted,
a lot of benefits will follow.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So I think this is a good plan for Vivaty
and not coincidentally as Tony has been very public about his continuing
support for X3D, a good development for the standard. Give him
room; Tony is not just a pioneer, he is staying the course as best as a small
company can. Having yet another option for X3D content makers can
only help us.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are not in a One True Browser
world. We’ve never been. We just did it that way
because we were increasing the complexity of the content. Now we
have options at both ends of the spectrum and again, options are good.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>When Raph Koster is congratulating anyone
or company in the X3D and Web3D world, that is respect we have waited for a
long time. It isn’t trivial.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>len</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org
[mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Damon H<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009
3:51 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ben Francis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> X3D Graphics public mailing
list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [X3D-Public] Vivaty
use Flash for Vivaty Scenes Lite</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ben,<br>
I would only guess that the main reason for a Flash version is to lower
the barriers to entry for those that don't like downloading plug-ins. The
"download a plug-in" is a big killer for most virtual world
companies. Vivaty is going for tween and teen girls, dont know how many are mac
users in that demographic. Again I see it first as more a way to get people
past that barrier of getting a plug-in, second for the bonus of that small
audience of mac users and run the app cross platform. I give them mad props for
enticing people with a lite version. Hopefully the experience with their
platform will get users hooked for the X3D player download. We need more of
those out there.<br>
<br>
IMHO<br>
<br>
Damon</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Ben Francis <<a
href="mailto:mail@tola.me.uk">mail@tola.me.uk</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I was
very disappointed to read [1] that Vivaty has felt it necessary to shoe-horn a
stripped-down version of their Vivaty Scenes service into Flash in order to
achieve cross-platform support. I've made a blog post [2] and comment on their
blog asking what could have been achieved if the engineering effort required to
achieve this hack had instead been diverted to supporting Unix/Linux based
implementations of X3D.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Ben<br>
<br>
1. <a href="http://blog.vivaty.com/2009/09/22/vivaty-lite-in-flash"
target="_blank">http://blog.vivaty.com/2009/09/22/vivaty-lite-in-flash</a> <br>
2. <a href="http://www.tola.me.uk/blog/2009/09/22/vivaty_lite" target="_blank">http://www.tola.me.uk/blog/2009/09/22/vivaty_lite</a><br
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-- <br>
Ben Francis<br>
<a href="http://tola.me.uk" target="_blank">http://tola.me.uk</a><br>
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