<div dir="ltr">Just to be clear I'm not wanting to do that. I'm not using X3D these days, just lurking on the list and wanting to be helpful.<br><br>So this would be a question for someone in the group at large who needs physics in their X3D application.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Roy Walmsley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roy.walmsley@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">roy.walmsley@ntlworld.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">OK. Let’s say you want to define a physics component. What would be on your wish list for its content?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Roy<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> x3d-public [mailto:<a href="mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Parisi<br><b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2015 00:09<br><b>To:</b> Dave A<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:x3d-public@3dnpvei.com" target="_blank">x3d-public@3dnpvei.com</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Gravity Sensor?<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Another option is to define a physics component and do it everything consistently through that component... maybe borrow some features of the physics model in the ParticleSystem component since that's out there already...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Dave A <<a href="mailto:dave@realmofconcepts.com" target="_blank">dave@realmofconcepts.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">This has been a bother for me since I got into x3d in 2003.<br><br>Follow me! @thatvrguy<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>On 4/24/2015 2:57 PM, Christoph Valentin wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dave,<br> I believe, X3DOM has done that and I believe a lot of open and/or closed source game engines have done that. No doubt.<br> The point is, to have it in an ISO standard on a high layer of scene description (i.e. X3D/VRML).<br> All the best<br> <br>Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2015 um 19:18 Uhr<br>Von: "Dave A" <<a href="mailto:dave@realmofconcepts.com" target="_blank">dave@realmofconcepts.com</a>><br>An: "Christoph Valentin" <<a href="mailto:christoph.valentin@gmx.at" target="_blank">christoph.valentin@gmx.at</a>>, <a href="mailto:x3d-public@3dnpvei.com" target="_blank">x3d-public@3dnpvei.com</a>, "Roy Walmsley" <<a href="mailto:roy.walmsley@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">roy.walmsley@ntlworld.com</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br>Betreff: Re: [x3d-public] Gravity Sensor?<br>I think what you are asking for is a Physics Engine. Has one been<br>integrated yet? It really needs it.<br>I think x3dom glued one in somehow.<br>Dave Arendash<br><br>On 4/24/2015 7:16 AM, Christoph Valentin wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Lauren and Roy,<br><br>My question was from a theoretical perspective (maybe I will do some trials with GeoSpatial component soon).<br><br>Thinking about railway cars, that contain scenery and avatar can enter. --> need superposition of gravity and inertial forces (from the acceleration of the railway car).<br><br>KR<br><br><br><br>Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2015 um 14:12 Uhr<br>Von: GLG <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@3dnpvei.com" target="_blank">x3d-public@3dnpvei.com</a>><br>An: <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br>Betreff: Re: [x3d-public] Gravity Sensor?<br>Yes there's ParticleSystems (thanks Roy), maybe the<br>X3DParticlePhysicsModelNode in particular is what you're looking for, or the<br>X3DParticlePhysicsModelNode. Cheers, Lauren<br><br><br>40.4.4 ForcePhysicsModel<br><br>GravityPhysicsModel : X3DParticlePhysicsModelNode {<br>SFBool [in,out] enabled TRUE<br>SFVec3f [in,out] force 0 -9.8 0 (∞,∞)<br>SFNode [in,out] metadata NULL [X3DMetadataObject]<br>}<br>The ForcePhysicsModel node specifies a physics model that applies a constant<br>force value to the particles. Force may act in any given direction vector at<br>any strength.<br><br>The force field is used to indicate the strength and direction of the force<br>(e.g., gravity) that should be applied. Force is specified in metres per<br>seconds-squared (m/s2). If the particles are defined to have zero mass by<br>the emitter, the ForcePhysicsModel node has no effect.<br><br><br>40.4.1 BoundedPhysicsModel<br><br>BoundedPhysicsModel : X3DParticlePhysicsModelNode {<br>SFBool [in,out] enabled TRUE<br>SFNode [in,out] geometry NULL [X3DGeometryNode]<br>SFNode [in,out] metadata NULL [X3DMetadataObject]<br>}<br>The BoundedPhysicsModel node specifies a physics model that applies a<br>user-defined set of geometrical bounds to the particles.<br><br>The geometry field specifies a piece of geometry that models the bounds that<br>constrain the location of the particles. When a particle touches the surface<br>of the bounds, it is reflected. The particles may be restricted to an inside<br>location or an outside location. All geometry defined by the bounds are<br>considered to be non-solid, regardless of the setting of the solid field. It<br>does not matter whether the particle impacts the front or back side of the<br>geometry. Particles are reflected at the same angle to the normal of the<br>surface to which they impact, continuing in the same direction. The<br>calculation of the correct normal is determined by the rules of the geometry<br>that forms the bounds.<br><br>EXAMPLE A particle can be made to bounce off an elevation grid representing<br>terrain.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.2/Part01/components" target="_blank">http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19775-1/V3.2/Part01/components</a><br>/particle_systems.html<br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: x3d-public [mailto:<a href="mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org</a>] On Behalf Of Roy<br>Walmsley<br>Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:31 AM<br>To: 'Christoph Valentin'; 'X3D Graphics public mailing list'<br>Subject: Re: [x3d-public] Gravity Sensor?<br><br>Christoph,<br><br>In X3D the only place where forces, including gravity, can be included is in<br>the Particle systems component.<br><br>There isn't anything like a "gravity sensor". You have to take care of it<br>yourself. This could be done using external code and interacting through the<br>SAI. Alternatively, you could use a Script node to keep everything internal<br>to the scene.<br><br>>From your reasoning point d) I am assuming you are working with the<br>GeoSpatial component. What sort of things do you want to apply gravity to?<br><br>Roy<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: x3d-public [mailto:<a href="mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>Christoph Valentin<br>Sent: 24 April 2015 10:04<br>To: X3D Graphics public mailing list<br>Subject: [x3d-public] Gravity Sensor?<br><br>A few questions to the community.<br><br>Is there something like a "gravity sensor" in X3D/VRML?<br><br>Reasoning:<br><br>a) The Web3D Browser cares for gravity and collision detection, when<br>controlling the movement of the avatar.<br>b) However, when controlling the dynamics of an arbitrary object, I have to<br>care for gravity and collision myself<br>c) In classical scenes, the gravity is 9.81 m.s^-2 in -y direction, no<br>problem<br>d) But how to calculate gravity in an X3D-Earth scene? 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