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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Specifically, you may want to remove distinct and retry commented out select from this query to show additional Shapes (I haven’t tried this myself):</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/queries/X3dHelloWorldQuery_01.txt">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/queries/X3dHelloWorldQuery_01.txt</a></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">John Carlson</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, October 7, 2019 1:23 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:communications@web3d.org">Web3D Communications Team</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">X3D Graphics public mailing list</a>; <a href="mailto:semantics@web3d.org">semantics@web3d.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Semantics] Minutes X3D Semantic Web 7 OCT 2019: X3D Ontologyimprovements review, X3dToTurtle.xslt plans</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, Appearance-anonymous:</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/semantics/examples/HelloWorld.ttl">https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/semantics/examples/HelloWorld.ttl</a></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 1:03 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As previously discussed, there are 2 Shape-anonymous and 2 Transform-anonymous nodes in HelloWorld.ttl. I think these need to be made distinct.</p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:15 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:9.6pt'>Attendees: Jakub Flotynski, Athanasios Malamos and Don Brutzman.<br><br>1. *Group administration*<br><br>Email list for this group:<br><br> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/member/member-only-mailing-lists" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member/member-only-mailing-lists</a><br> <a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/semantics_web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/semantics_web3d.org</a><br><br>We still have not received a reply from Web3D Communications Team about making this a public list.<br><br>As a result we will begin copying x3d-public as a routine until that problem is addressed.<br><br>We also have a long-pending and repeated website request to make our ontology IRI match the website IRI.<br><br> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0</a><br><br>which will redirect to<br><br> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0.ttl" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/semantics/ontologies/X3dOntology4.0.ttl</a><br><br>--------------<br><br>2. Discussion of EU Erasmus program opportunities.<br><br> <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus" target="_blank">https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus</a><br><br>--------------<br><br>3. *Review session*. We reviewed the many changes to ontology and related work.<br><br>- email thread (multiple responses):<br><br> <a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/private/semantics_web3d.org/2019-October/000121.html" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/mailman/private/semantics_web3d.org/2019-October/000121.html</a><br><br>- website:<br><br> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/semantics.html" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/semantics.html</a><br><br>4. *XSLT*<br><br>- We agreed on the naming convention, which allows tracing query results back to the original X3D model.<br><br>- We discussed whether base IRI is required. In the HelloWorld.ttl initial example, it is marked<br><br>@prefix : <<a href="https://www.web3d.org/semantics/scenes/X3dScene1" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/semantics/scenes/X3dScene1#</a>> .<br><br>We might do something with the meta identifier (if it exists), e.g.<br><br> <meta content='<a href="http://X3dGraphics.com/examples/X3dForWebAuthors/Chapter01TechnicalOverview/HelloWorld.x3d" target="_blank">http://X3dGraphics.com/examples/X3dForWebAuthors/Chapter01TechnicalOverview/HelloWorld.x3d</a>' name='identifier'/><br><br>becomes<br><br> @prefix : <<a href="http://X3dGraphics.com/examples/X3dForWebAuthors/Chapter01TechnicalOverview/HelloWorld.ttl" target="_blank">http://X3dGraphics.com/examples/X3dForWebAuthors/Chapter01TechnicalOverview/HelloWorld.ttl</a>> .<br><br>which also matches the Web address where it will exist. This can be automated for all models in X3D Example Archives.<br><br>We can have stylesheet switches that omits or overrides such a value, depending on the person/tool converting.<br><br>Therefore, over the next week HelloWorld.ttl will change accordingly. Since it is in version control, we can always re-check prior versions.<br><br> <a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/semantics/examples/HelloWorld.ttl" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/semantics/examples/HelloWorld.ttl</a><br><br>This is a good goal for next week. Additional requests welcome, we can always add TODO items!<br><br>--------------<br><br>5. *X3D Ontology*<br><br>There has been some work in using XML (e.g. .x3d) directly with RDF/OWL but we are deferring any such activity.<br><br>TODO: there were a few links posted to the <a href="mailto:semantics@web3d.org" target="_blank">semantics@web3d.org</a> list - some from TEI Crete - we will collect links for them for future consideration. We will do this by email.<br><br>Review points:<br>a. removed ontology references to X3D XML Schema<br>b. Since there is no information present in default values for fields, they will not be included in generated knowledge base like HelloWorld.ttl<br>c. Default-value information is available in the X3D XML Schema, X3D XML DTD, and X3D Unified Object Model (X3DUOM).<br>d. TODO: should we somehow include default values in the ontology, so that queries to determine if value is non-default? Not clear, Jakub will look further whether it is possible and practical.<br><br>e. Confirmed that owl:unionOf constructs are now working correctly, without warnings.<br><br>f. Jakub noted that we should consistently use "a" when stating "rdf:type" - will fix.<br><br>g. We discussed how some fields (e.g. 'translation') do not have a common object-model basis.<br><br>TODO: Jakub will post a screenshot in response to minutes... I will find the autogeneration diagnostic that links these.<br><br>Corrected OWLDoc link:<br><br> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/documentation/owldoc/index.html" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/semantics/documentation/owldoc/index.html</a><br><br>Thanks for the quick review! Continuing shared improvement is welcome.<br><br>--------------<br><br>6. *Next Meeting*. We agreed to continue meeting for one hour each week.<br><br>Wow, very productive. Have fun with X3D Semantic Web! 8)<br><br>all the best, Don<br>-- <br>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a><br>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<br>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics <a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank">http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><br>-- <br>Semantics mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Semantics@web3d.org" target="_blank">Semantics@web3d.org</a><br><a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/semantics_web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/semantics_web3d.org</a></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>