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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please See below</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">Joseph D Williams</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:01 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">X3D Graphics public mailing list</a>; <a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">John Carlson</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[x3d-public] Again, RE: HAnim examples/tests</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A.7.2.2 LOA<span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'>‑</span>4 Example with diamonds at Joint centres<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/index.html<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/BodyDimensionsAndLOAs.html#LOA4ExampleSourceWithDiamonds">www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/BodyDimensionsAndLOAs.html#LOA4ExampleSourceWithDiamonds</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Important links and the example should run as published.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">John Carlson</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:08 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">Joseph D Williams</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">X3D Graphics public mailing list</a><br><b>Subject: </b>HAnim examples/tests<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Hi Joe, do you prefer email or voice chat? I am much less apt to call you, but it's probably good to have an initial meeting.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Call me with the number I sent, or use this or hanim list.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>I'm going to look around the X3d Resource Examples, and I know you've got a set of examples too. I'll look around for what I have of yours. I can't find it right away, but I'll look under People next. I found your examples in my Downloads folder. Yay! You are now in ~/People/Joe<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Fun happens where you find it. I’d like to see you be able to run the latest loa4 example.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Okay, assuming you know what you sent me, what needs to be changed about the various models you sent me?<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Not sure but I’m certain it was great stuff<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Also, note that I am a VRML newb.<o:p></o:p></li></ul></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Youjust think you are. It is all very logical and we can use the xml or anything else you want as long as it runs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Do you use BS Contact? I think I have that!<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So far most runs anywhere x3d except some may not do skin.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>BSContact is my standard for this right now but all do it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Is there an HAnim tutorial written yet? Should I begin writing one?<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Somewhat. The thing to start with is that there is a humanoid space, a skeleton space and a skin space, so far. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>To me, they work best when they are all the same space.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for looking<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>John<o:p></o:p></li></ul></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Joseph D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>> develop test cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that. Thanks to Joe for pointing me there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>I can talk with you about hanim examples/tests most any time, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>Thanks and Best, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">John Carlson</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:23 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">Don Brutzman</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com" target="_blank">Andreas Plesch</a>; <a href="mailto:kunger@ssdllc.biz" target="_blank">Katie Unger</a>; <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">X3D Graphics public mailing list</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [x3d-public] JSweet translation of X3DJSAIL to JavaScript: needspecific design goals first<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>Perhaps I haven’t been clear. I see my position @ Web3d as a tester, thus I expect to collaborate with other stakeholders to create test cases or example behaviors we want the system to perform.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>We have abundant XML that I can generate test cases from. I’m not generating code out of the blue. I have a goal of generating code out of the blue, but that’s a long term goal. This would be done to do code coverage.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>I accidentally fell into a library writer position when we got to python.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>I added my JSONParser to the browsers because no one was doing it, and I needed a real environment to test in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>I don’t see anything wrong with generating different versions of HelloWorld.js.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>I resign from library development. If someone wants me to develop test cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that. Thanks to Joe for pointing me there.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>As a tester, I build code that I assert will not work, or I check the XML to see if the scene is supposed to fail.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>The test cases for node are currently failing big time, I know. I know I use methods instead of array access. That needs to be fixed. There are properties in the SAI I haven’t really spotted in the X3DUOM, so perhaps I need to look harder. I need to add route methods to my serializer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:23 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>Design goal: add existing X3D ecmascript SAI to HTML5 (chrome) and node.js<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>I tend to work from examples rather than specifications. Once we have our test cases, we can start coding the library, using “test driven development.” or “behavior driven development.”<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>We will build an npm environment, probably using webpack and yarn, and a suitable test framework. Then I will start coding tests using the test framework. I believe we can use phantomjs or similar to run test cases in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>I will look for the Transform example.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>Good news is I’m saving enough money on “shelter in place “ to afford a Web3d membership.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:44 PM Don Brutzman <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.2in'>On 3/24/2020 3:48 PM, John Carlson wrote:<br>> It seems like you have issues with the “generate first” approach. [...]<br><br>Yes. Don't do that. Don't even bother thinking about that.<br><br>Please look again at what I wrote. You need specific design goals first.<br><br>all the best, Don<br>-- <br>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a><br>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<br>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics <a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank">http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>