<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for the summary. A short response below:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 17:30:32 +0000<br>
From: "Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)" <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br>
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Subject: [x3d-public] X3D working group minutes 21 JAN 2022: Mantis<br>
issue resolutions for Text layout and glTF, IMPORT/EXPORT, Projects<br>
Wish List, Blender<br>
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Attendees: John Carlson, Vince Marchetti, Nicholas Polys, Dick Puk, Don Brutzman. Regrets Anita Havele.<br>
<br>3. Projects Wish List. <a href="https://www.web3d.org/projects/wish-list" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/projects/wish-list</a><br>
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1. Add View3Dscene to section 1 to note available as open source, fully implementing glTF.<br>
2. Does X3DOM support ROUTE? Yes. Prototypes? Maybe - interesting recent examples posted. X3D Scripts? No. Hoping Andreas might provide succinct status and where help is useful, we will then discuss further on x3dom-developers list.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>x3dom ROUTE support exists for a long time.</div><div><br></div><div>Prototype support: I think Prototype support is pretty robust now. All the examples I could find which do not need a script work.</div><div><br></div><div>X3D scripts: unfortunately no.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
3. Crucial issue common to X3DOM, X_ITE, view3DScene: plans for supporting WebXR? This should be elevated as #1 wish list on client side.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There have been requests but nobody stepped up sofar. There is WebVR support and it may be possible to update to WebXR with reasonable investment.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps, Andreas</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
4. Tool side: Blender is our top issue. Is a concerted team effort appropriate (or possible)? Perhaps on an issue-by-issue basis? The latest Blender 3.0 import/export has shown good progress is now stable from an X3D perspective (thanks to a fix by Andreas) so working on individual improvements is feasible. One is underway on ImageTexture that is revealing additional bugs... so maybe just encouragement of individuals to solve problems is what we need. We can also elevate how we report progress publicly in order to build confidence. Web3D Consortium members who have stakeholder interest in ought to discuss this closely. Can Blender Foundation, or some set of coders associated with that group working for money, help? How can we get money flowing to professional Blender programmers here?<br>
5. Our Blender project: <a href="https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/BlenderX3DSupport" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/BlenderX3DSupport</a><br>
6. Tool side: MeshLab. Next week please, if CRNI can attend that will be great.<br>
7. Don will continue to edit and update the page. This wish list will continue to get reviewed every week.<br>
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John asked a question about protos continue on mailing list please. Please look around, a great many prototype examples are online, some with an explanatory book chapter. Also available is a very thorough X3D Validator.<br>
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Next week. We will continue our tools focus with MeshLab. All ideas and inputs welcome.<br>
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* <a href="https://www.meshlab.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.meshlab.net</a><br>
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Step by step... Quote from Thanos in movie Avengers Endgame: "Inevitable."<br>
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Have fun with X3D! 8)<br>
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all the best, Don<br>
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Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a><br>
Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<br>
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https:// <a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><br>
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From: Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)<br>
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Subject: X3D working group agenda 21 JAN 2022: progress, Mantis issue resolution, Projects Wish List, IMPORT/EXPORT<br>
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The X3D Working Group meets each Friday at 0800-0900 pacific time. Videoconference Connectivity:<br>
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All inputs welcome. Agenda follows.<br>
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1. Anyone have new project progress to report (with image to share) this week? Outreach is welcome.<br>
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1. Excellent visibility of meeting minutes and other progress on Twitter, we will continue.<br>
* <a href="https://twitter.com/Web3Dconsortium" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/Web3Dconsortium</a><br>
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1. Dick and I are spec editors steadily fixing issues but making progress too slowly. We request review.<br>
* We started with 250 issues a year ago, we are down to 175. Four months to go...<br>
* The hardest issues are addressed. Only 2 "major" issues remain.<br>
* Issue list attached. Please identify any topic priorities you have.<br>
* Help requested. Special opportunity: editing first-draft spec and implementation testing of X3D C++ C# bindings.<br>
* We will keep going but finishing is not yet in reach... Will we be punting open issues to future X3D4.1 ?<br>
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Request review of major issue by Nicholas:<br>
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* Mantis 1265: Text size clarification, relative to baseline<br>
* <a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1265" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1265</a><br>
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Request review of major omnibus issue by Michalis:<br>
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* Mantis 1269 glTF physically based rendering PBR, advanced material textures and lighting<br>
* <a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1269" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1269</a><br>
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1. Projects Wish List update discussion: we will look closely again next week.<br>
* Work with MeshLab and Blender seems especially important.<br>
* Can we add "how to get involved?" to each major item.<br>
* <a href="https://www.web3d.org/projects/wish-list" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/projects/wish-list</a><br>
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1. Dick and I worked on IMPORT/EXPORT issue today, to good effect<br>
* Mantis 1109: 04.4.6 Import/Export semantics - Need to specify uniqueness of names<br>
* <a href="https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1109" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1109</a><br>
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* X3D4 Architecture, Networking component, 9.2.5 IMPORT statement<br>
* <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/networking.html#IMPORTStatement" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/networking.html#IMPORTStatement</a><br>
* X3D4 Architecture, Networking component, 9.2.6 IMPORT statement<br>
* <a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/networking.html#EXPORTStatement" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/networking.html#EXPORTStatement</a><br>
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1. What else?<br>
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Membership definitely has value, including visibility into Mantis issue list. Hope you consider the possibilities.<br>
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* Join Web3D Consortium<br>
* <a href="https://www.web3D.org/join" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3D.org/join</a><br>
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Have fun with X3D! 8)<br>
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9.2.5 IMPORT statement<br>
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The IMPORT statement is used within an X3D file to specify nodes, which are defined within Inline files or programmatically created content, that are to be brought into the namespace of the containing file for the purposes of event routing. Once a node is imported, events may be sent to its fields via ROUTEs, or routed from any fields of the node which have output events.<br>
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IMPORT statements may appear anywhere in the file and have the following form:<br>
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IMPORT <InlineNodeName>.<ExportedNameFromInlinedFile> [ AS <NewLocalNodeName> ]<br>
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The IMPORT statement has the following components:<br>
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1. The name of the Inline node that contains the node to be imported<br>
2. The name of the node to import<br>
3. An optional name to be that is used as an alias for the imported node within the run-time name scope, to help prevent name clashes within the parent scene containing the IMPORT statement.<br>
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The IMPORT statement has the following semantics:<br>
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1. Once imported, events may be routed to or from the imported node in exactly the same manner as any node defined with DEF.<br>
2. Nodes imported into an X3D scene using the IMPORT statement may not be instanced via the USE statement.<br>
3. Only nodes that are exported from within the Inline via an EXPORT statement may be imported using a corresponding IMPORT statement.<br>
4. The IMPORT statement can appear wherever a ROUTE statement is allowed, and shall follow the Inline node to which it refers.<br>
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The following example illustrates the use of the IMPORT statement (Classic VRML encoding syntax):<br>
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DEF I1 Inline {<br>
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url "someurl.x3d"<br>
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IMPORT I1.rootTransform AS I1Root<br>
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DEF PI PositionInterpolator { ... }<br>
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ROUTE PI.value_changed TO I1Root.set_translation<br>
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In the above example, rootTransform is defined as a Transform node in the file someurl.x3d and exported via an EXPORT statement (see 4.4.6.3 EXPORT semantics<<a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/concepts.html#EXPORTSemantics" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/concepts.html#EXPORTSemantics</a>>). The optional AS keyword defines an alias for rootTransform so that within the containing scene the node is referenced using the DEF name I1Root. All defined alias AS names shall also meet appropriate uniqueness requirements in the local DEF namespace of the parent scene.<br>
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9.2.6 EXPORT statement<br>
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The EXPORT statement is used within an X3D file to specify nodes that may be imported into other scenes when Inlining that file. Only named nodes exported with an EXPORT statement are eligible to be imported into another file.<br>
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EXPORT statements may appear anywhere in the file and have the following form:<br>
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EXPORT <NodeName> [ AS <ExportedNodeName> ]<br>
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The EXPORT statement has the following components:<br>
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1. The DEF name of the node to be exported<br>
2. An optional name to be that is used as an alias for the exported node when importing it into other files<br>
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The EXPORT statement has the following semantics:<br>
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1. Once imported into a containing scene, events may be routed to or from an exported node in exactly the same manner as any node defined with DEF.<br>
2. Exported nodes imported into a containing scene may not be instanced via the USE statement.<br>
3. Exportation may not be propagated across multiple files; that is, a node imported into one scene using the IMPORT statement may not then be further exported into another scene using the EXPORT statement.<br>
4. Nodes shall not be exported from the body of a PROTO declaration.<br>
5. The EXPORT statement can appear wherever a ROUTE statement is allowed, and shall be contained within the Inline node to which it refers.<br>
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The following example illustrates the use of the EXPORT statement (Classic VRML encoding):<br>
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DEF T1 Transform {<br>
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...<br>
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EXPORT T1 AS rootTransform<br>
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In the above example, node T1 is exported for use by other X3D scenes. The optional AS keyword defines the exported name of T1 as rootTransform ( i.e., other scenes may import the node only using the name rootTransform). All defined alias AS names shall also meet appropriate uniqueness requirements in the local DEF namespace of the parent scene.<br>
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all the best, Don<br>
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Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br>
Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<br>
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https:// <a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><br>
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