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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>Joe is completely correct about the importance of studying the HAnim specification, and corresponding X3D4 specification. I’ve also linked our 108 X3D models, partitioned into 9 directory categories, each of which has many contextual links to tutorials, videos, and references.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>Humanoid animation (HAnim) architecture 2.0<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774/V2.0/index.html<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>X3D 4.0 Architecture and base components, clause 26 Humanoid Animation (HAnim) component<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-IS.proof/Part01/components/hanim.html<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>HumanoidAnimation (HAnim) X3D Examples Archive<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>Non-HAnim export is not HAnim. Apples are not oranges, either. As ever, figuring out mappings to any single one of multiple provided HAnim templates is a suggested path to adjust a model of interest. Validation tools then confirm correctness and guide gradual improvement. This is consistent with the excellent guidance that Joe provided (and you rejected) below.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I must wonder if you are paying attention. Despite many-times-repeated guidance provided, your email below does not reflect understanding of these basic principles.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=3 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>Your use of pejorative terms is inappropriate for this professional mailing list. For your information, not for further discussion:<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>Wikipedia, gaslighting<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=4 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>John, many of your posts have excellent value and such contributions are consistently acknowledged with thanks. However your repeated posting of fragmentary, misdirecting, or simply incorrect claims is disrupting the important work of many people using this archived mailing list.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Posting to x3d-public should be your last resort after checking appropriate examples and references, not your reflex response. Following that carefulness, your posts will have far greater value.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Something must change</b>. Please self-moderate better.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Very respectfully yours.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman@nps.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> x3d-public <x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Carlson<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 9, 2023 5:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> Joe D Williams <joedwil@earthlink.net><br><b>Cc:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public@web3d.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] standard HAnimHumanoid DEF field value or name field value<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry, I know about names and DEFs for joint, segments and sites. I was asking about the HAnimHumanoid node itself, if that wasn't clear. I don't see it in the LOA4 or your hierarchy at all. A better tip than gaslighting me would help.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Specifically, what name and DEF standards are there for the node I mentioned?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Most of my current joints come out of tovrmlx3d as Transforms, so rules are different.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I used to know these things, based on looking at user code. But the user code I'm looking at isn't even HAnim at this point. That's what I'm trying to remedy. I'm trying to insert a node that's not there, and I don't currently have any prefixes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Simply put, is name="HAnim" correct for the HAnimHumanoid node? Can I use "HAnim" for a DEF if there's no prefix?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:04 AM Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p style='margin:0.1rem 0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Study the HAnim standard to see there are exact definitions for all DEF naming of joints, segments, sites based on the name substituted for hanim_ in your example and the type of object. .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0.1rem 0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0.1rem 0px'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #AAAAAA 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 11.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>Sent: Sep 8, 2023 6:38 PM<br>To: X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>, Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>><br>Subject: standard HAnimHumanoid DEF field value or name field value<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0.1rem 0px'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here's how I do Humanoids I generate:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><HAnimHumanoid DEF='hanim_HAnim' info='"humanoidVersion=2.0"' name='HAnim' scale='1 1 1' translation='0 0 0' version='2.0'><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm guessing there's no standard or widely accepted values for either the name value or the DEF value.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is there a requirement that some substring be in the name or DEF values?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm not seeing anything in the LOA4 or Joe's hierarchy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll just construct my own, like everyone else!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p style='margin:0.1rem 0px'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>