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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>[snip: 4 attachment in large mailing-list message]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>John, as explained many times, the way to change one of the converters (such as X3dToPython.xslt or X3duomToX3dPythonPackage.xslt or x3d.py) is to provide an example input file with a repeatable error. It is usually not practical for more than one person to make changes at a time.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>What you have provided here requires elaborate reconstruction with no clearly stated goal.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'> For your file JoeKick.x3d, the authoritative version is online at<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'>https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/JoeKick.x3d<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'>https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/JoeKickIndex.html<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you have a change to that, please get Joe to agree as author first. If you don’t have a change to that, there is no need to send it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I suggested a very clear start with an LOA 0 and then LOA 1 model. Not understanding why you don’t try that instead of continued circling and (for me at least) confusion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>One step at a time please. Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman@nps.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> John Carlson <yottzumm@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 31, 2023 7:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman@nps.edu><br><b>Cc:</b> GPU Group <gpugroup@gmail.com>; Joe D Williams <joedwil@earthlink.net>; X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public@web3d.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] Possible extensions to x3d.py (subclassing, etc)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Don, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Attached are JoeKick.x3d, JoeKick.py, the python program produced by my version of X3dToPython.xslt, my X3dToPython.xslt, and the result .x3d and wrl (it really is VRML, despite the JSON in the name) files. Please view the two .x3d files to see the differences. To me, Joe in JoeKickPythonToX3d.x3d (the output from JoeKick.py+x3d.py) is totally missing. There are 198 warnings in view3dscene for the file. If you can produce a better python program than my JoeKick.py using your X3dToPython.xslt, that produces a better .x3d result than mine, by all means, let's see it. I expect for you to be forthcoming with equivalent files for me to confirm for myself.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you want to see my X3duomToX3dPythonPackage.xslt please say so (anyone can ask). I also have a JoeKick.py prior to my modifications, but it doesn't output anything.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Joe, don't say anything stupid. We know what's happening. If you want something to do, fix JoeKick.x3d so view3dscene doesn't spew tons of errors, then we'll reconvert to python, and revisit.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've checked out another version of sourceforge, so I should have a golden copy of X3duomToX3dPythonPackage.xslt, x3d.py, etc. We can revisit that if needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 4:27 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John, you are free to experimentally subclass or inject as you wish but there is no guarantee that such work will be maintainable.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The way to upgrade x3d.py is to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'>Show an erroneous output, or<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'>Provide example code showing a broadly useful utility method of some sort.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Such corrections and improvements can then get autogenerated from X3DUOM into x3d.py and then regression tested against X3D Examples. If successfully working they can become part of a future x3d.py release, which is entirely open source.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>Python package x3d<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpypi.org%2Fproject%2Fx3d&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7C51d6689e94354aef643a08dbda7f6cc5%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638344013102359618%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=20GjwzRlIAwt0wQitTNZZgyMLeFdlSIg6sQ28d0EnPA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://pypi.org/project/x3d</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>Thanks in advance for all improvements to X3D and x3d.py python library.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all the best, Don</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics <a href="https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" target="_blank">https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public-bounces@web3d.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Carlson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> GPU Group <<a href="mailto:gpugroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpugroup@gmail.com</a>>; Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [x3d-public] Possible extensions to x3d.py (subclassing, etc)<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m going to take the approach that x3d.py cannot be modified, and instead use subclasses of x3d.py classes to provide order of fields as necessary for the Blender X3DV exporter. In particular, HAnimHumanoid XML, VRML and JSON methods will be overridden to provide containerField, field ordering, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>x3d.py might take a dependency injection approach in the future, such that one or more delegates can be replaced. I believe dependency injection is preferred to inheritance or monkey-patching, but X3D is pretty heavy into inheritance, or at least interfaces. Any dependency injection should make any changes to output as desired. I do not agree with totally replacing methods, as that is a maintenance nightmare.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I apologize for all the emails over the last many days. My mind is not as nimble as it could be. I do not know if I could have arrived at a agreeable solution without all the emails.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Now you know why technical interviews terrify me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks everyone for being teddy bears.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>