<div dir="auto">Hi Don,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for kudos.  I think the link may be different from the attachment, I am not sure though.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I can include some of your changes, and they will help!  Normally, I’m doing python rather than XML.  That’s why there’s extraneous quotes.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Great to hear about new X3D-Edit 4.0 version for latest NetBeans. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The displacer names came from interpolator names, so confusion is natural!  I was including both CoordinateInterpolators and HAnimDisplacers at one point.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Understood that Prototypes don’t work in X3DOM, more work is needed there (possibly implementation of ProtoInstance is needed in X3DOM?). I primarily work with Sunrize, Castle, FreeWRL and then X_ITE if I want to deploy.  Your X3D-Edit is great, but I typically do development from the command-line so I can easily filter and sort (unique) validation results and logs.  Further options to X3DJSAIL for schematron welcome!  I will look into C14N options.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In an attempt to remove scripts per Andreas’ post, I ran into an issue where I couldn’t send an event to an MFNode.  At this point, I am stuck, and I’m not sure how to proceed.  I will likely archive that python and go back.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 1:42 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">




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Hi John.  Thanks for sharing this impressive model.  Incidentally there is no prior version in the examples archive, numerous details follow.</div>
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First made some adjustments for inclusion in the archive.  Then had some major trouble with the model, and then discovered that it was invalid.  Started over again.  Found and fixed stray apostrophe at end of line 1245.</div>
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At this point the model validates, both with X3D XML DTD and X3D XML Schema.  Checked into version control in that form.  You can View History there to see a series of changes.</div>
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Then applied X3D canonicalization (C14N) to regularize whitespace and line breaks, making comparison differencing of changes possible.</div>
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Then made initial adjustments to meta-tag metadata.  I think that you and Joe should be listed first as authors since you made changes to the other authors' models, and are the primary authors of this model.</div>
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After a bit, began thinking that a more accurate name is FacialAnimationComparisonScripts.x3d with future variations FacialAnimationComparisionDisplacers (and possibly FacialAnimationComparisionInline someday).</div>
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I'm using X3D-Edit 4.0 to make all of these checks and corrections.  We have a new release available on SourceForge, awaiting NetBeans confirmation on their plugin page.  If you want to use it, available at</div>
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My changes are all committed to SourceForge and pushed to Web3D Example Archives.  Lots to see there!</div>
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Continuing improvements welcome. Suggestions to you and Joe for continuing work:</div>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:9pt">Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br        <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Courier New"">brutzman@nps.edu</a></span></p>
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<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent:</b> Thursday, December 19, 2024 11:18 PM<br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To:</b> X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>; Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">brutzman@nps.edu</a>>; doug sanden <<a href="mailto:highaspirations@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">highaspirations@hotmail.com</a>>; Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>>; Holger Seelig <<a href="mailto:holger.seelig@yahoo.de" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">holger.seelig@yahoo.de</a>><br>
<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Subject:</b> Cleaned MultiFacialAnimationMenu.txt</span>
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<div style="direction:ltr"> Don,</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Please upgrade the previous example in the archive that I provided for MultiFacialAnimation.  I  don't see it on the page yet, it's probably waiting for a build.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">This one doesn't have useless HAnimDisplacers and corresponding ROUTEs.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Works in Sunrize and not in FreeWRL.  Maybe Doug can take a look.  I tried two separate JavaScript engines (default and -J DUK). Sunrize wins this round. I upgraded and added back a CDATA section, but something else appears to be
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<div style="direction:ltr">For those that prefer GitHub, here are a couple of links.  The major magic in the python is figuring out how to do a Script CDATA section.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><a href="https://github.com/coderextreme/ci2had/blob/main/python/cleanup.py" id="m_-1678863486544186104OWA941a9d93-85bb-bc7a-53d4-9116a9588c40" target="_blank">ci2had/python/cleanup.py
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<div style="direction:ltr"><a href="https://github.com/coderextreme/ci2had/blob/main/resources/CleanedMultiFacialAnimationMenu.x3d" id="m_-1678863486544186104OWA2b85c620-2eba-aa68-1455-40fa7a645121" target="_blank">ci2had/resources/CleanedMultiFacialAnimationMenu.x3d
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<div style="direction:ltr">I will continue to work on removing the script.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Here's it's cousin that no longer works in FreeWRL.  I have not tried all versions:</div>
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