<html><body>Hello John,<br><br>Before I stopped the work on tprev_dis.x3d ("Teapot review"),<br><br>I had collected a few.demo videos: https://lc-soc-lc.at/blackboard/member-space/yeti/private/otwttrs.htm<br><br>Kr,<br>CP/V<br><br><div class="signature">--<br>Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App</div><div class="mail_android_quote" style="line-height: 1"><br><meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/vnd.ui.insecure+html;charset=utf-8"><div class="mail_android_quote" style="line-height: 1"><br>Am 17.02.25, 02:50 schrieb GPU Group via x3d-public <x3d-public@web3d.org>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.8ex 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>" Don’t known any X3D example with layers."</div><a href="https://freewrl.sourceforge.io/tests/35_Layering/">https://freewrl.sourceforge.io/tests/35_Layering/</a> <br><div>might be something relevant in here, swirl_layer.x3d looks interesting, has a little HUD, I think it came from an old browser (Swirl?)</div><div>-Doug</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 10:24 AM Holger Seelig via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Using Layer and LayerSet for the HUD and the scene would be great. Don’t known any X3D example with layers.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Holger</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote>Am 16.02.2025 um 18:04 schrieb Joe D Williams via x3d-public <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt"><p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">I think that menu needs to be made as a HUD (see jin animations menu) so the menu stays in view when navigating, even just bringing the face closer. </p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">For that, ProximitySensor needs to work. x3dom? </p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">Thanks,</p>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>Sent: Feb 15, 2025 7:47 PM<br>To: <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>><br>Cc: Andreas Plesch <<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com">andreasplesch@gmail.com</a>>, X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: Turning on and off simultaneous animations individually</p>
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<div dir="auto">Yes, at the bottom of the emotions menu.</div>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Andreas Plesch <<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com">andreasplesch@gmail.com</a>><br>Sent: Feb 15, 2025 1:25 PM<br>To: X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>Cc: Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>>, John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: Turning on and off simultaneous animations individually</p>
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<div>the x3dom editor now uses an experimental version with much improved performance for HAnimDisplacers:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/CleanedYouClocks.x3d">https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/CleanedYouClocks.x3d</a></div>
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<div>This experimental x3dom version is available at</div>
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<div>Feel free to use and test it. Some tests are available at</div>
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<div>I took a first stab at Displacers in Segments for x3dom and use it now in the editor:</div>
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<div><a href="https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/ManyClocks.x3d">https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/ManyClocks.x3d</a></div>
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<div>This is experimental and mostly for testing purposes. If there is an example combining Displacers in both Joints and Segments that would be interesting as it is not necessarily expected to work.</div>
<div>The experimental implementation is inefficient and expensive as it is weight_changed event driven. If you activate multiple displacers the frame rate starts to drop. It probably is not very useful at this point.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks. I found the tongue.x3d example but if you can create another one that would be helpful in general. </div>
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<div dir="auto">You vastly overestimate my ability and availability ;) This would be a longer term project. I have an idea what to do.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I had one I sent to Holger, probably derived from this one:</div>
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What I would do (again) is take out all the segments but the tongue.</div>
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<div dir="auto">There’s no menus involved in this one.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If you need further assistance, like a smaller example, I can help. Also all the Jin*.x3d FACS action units can also provide examples.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I’ll be pretty unbusy today. I can allocate some time for creating a model, make sure it animates, etc.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If you’re able to allocate some time today, great, we have an HAnim meeting tomorrow and showing off X3DOM editor using Displacers would be fantastic!</div>
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<div dir="auto">Remember there’s a coord field in HAnimSegment that the HAnimDisplacer operates on!</div>
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<div dir="auto">The reason is that Displacers are currently implemented in x3dom only for Joints, but not for Segments, unfortunately. Do you know of a simple but instructive test case of Segments with Displacers ?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I did try setting a value for the outputOnly fields, but the converter wouldn’t shut up.</div>
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<div dir="auto">The model below doesn’t seem to animate when one presses the menu items. Did you get it to animate?</div>
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<div>It turns out that x3dom currently expects a default value for Proto fields even for outputOnly fields. This is due to how Proto fields are initialized. They always need to have a value. While the spec. does not require this, it seems still good practice to always define a default value in the ProtoInterface. There may be a case where an outputOnly field is used in ISing where a valid value would be expected. There may be other corner cases.</div>
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<div>Here is your example with added default values for outputOnly fields:</div>
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<div>This could be fixed in x3dom, by always setting some default value. Is there a list of recommended defaults for each data type if no other source of defaults is available? For SFTime it seems to be -1.</div>
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<div>You are right, I only outlined scenarios where the accessType allows input or initialization..</div>
<div>In the outputOnly case it is not necessary to provide a fieldValue node at all since there is no value which can be provided. Providing the node would indeed be confusing, to both the user code reader and any X3D browser.</div>
<div>I believe the spec. is silent on this case in any encoding.</div>
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<div>I have finally enabled schematron on the project, but I'm finding it hard to understand the messages, and modifications that I make, while removing the immediate problems, seem to move the problems elsewhere.</div>
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<div>Explaining why I need a "startTime" fieldValue value is my main lack of understanding, but perhaps I need a whole review of accessType.</div>
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<div>castle-model-converter: Warning: X3D: X3D XML: <fieldValue> element references unknown field name "enabled"<br>castle-model-converter: Warning: X3D: X3D XML: <fieldValue> element references unknown field name "startTime"<br>castle-model-converter: Warning: X3D: X3D XML: <fieldValue> element references unknown field name "stopTime"</div>
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<div>I will try providing a field value in the ProtoInterface</div>
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<div>If I "cleanup" enabled, startTime and stopTime, I get:</div>
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<div>castle-model-converter: Warning: VRML/X3D: Within prototype "MenuItem", event "inputTrue" references (by "IS" clause) non-existing event "enabled"<br>castle-model-converter: Warning: VRML/X3D: Within prototype "MenuItem", event "triggerTime" references (by "IS" clause) non-existing event "startTime"<br>castle-model-converter: Warning: VRML/X3D: Within prototype "MenuItem", event "triggerTime" references (by "IS" clause) non-existing event "stopTime"</div>
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<div>I guess what I conclude at this point is, startTime and stopTime are bad DEF names, but what about enabled as a field? The dominoes are falling.</div>
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<div>About your two scenarios in the other message, perhaps this is revealing.</div>
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<div>See attached attempt to fix original issue, which resulted in the above.</div>
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<div>See attached zip for details, or visit link;</div>
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<div><a href="https://create3000.github.io/x_ite/playground/?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/CleanedYouClocks.x3d">https://create3000.github.io/x_ite/playground/?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coderextreme/ci2had/refs/heads/main/resources/CleanedYouClocks.x3d</a></div>
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<div>For some reason, this link doesn't show the live scene?</div>
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<div>Puzzled, haven't researched it yet. Looks good in Sunrize and X_ITE, will try FreeWRL next.</div>
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