<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, that is the overall idea and captured by the equations in the spec. In addition, there are a few more considerations which UnlitMaterial covers as carefully determined by Michalis.</div><div><br></div><div>-Andreas</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 12:18 PM Joe D Williams <<a href="mailto:joedwil@earthlink.net">joedwil@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">Just logically, to me now anyway, if no light then all that is left is emissive.</p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">The shape can emit some kind of light (glow), according to transparency, but not reflect of absorb. </p>
<p style="margin:0.1rem 0px;line-height:1">So diffuse doesn't count for unlit because that is response due to effect of lighting.</p>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Extensible 3D (X3D) Graphics public discussion <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>Sent: Feb 20, 2025 2:23 PM<br>To: X3D Graphics public mailing list <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>><br>Cc: Andreas Plesch <<a href="mailto:andreasplesch@gmail.com" target="_blank">andreasplesch@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [x3d-public] UnlitMaterial</p>
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<div>Looking at UnlitMaterial:</div>
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<div>Can UnlitMaterial be thought of as Material without light contributions ? Eg. on_i for all lights is 0 ?</div>
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<div>It looks equivalent but perhaps there is a subtle difference. Yeah, one subtle difference appears to be that the transparency field is applied to diffuse.a rather than emissive.a .</div>
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<div>Related, the Phong lighting in the case of on_i all zero, does not seem to have a way to specify an alpha for emissive ? Not sure how much use emissive alpha has but UnlitMaterial has it.</div>
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<div>Thanks for any input, -Andreas</div>
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