[Korea-chapter] [h-anim] H-Anim WG meeting, January 27th, 5:30pm PST (28th, 10:30am KST)

Mon Jan 28 11:52:36 PST 2013

> Actually the original feature points are based on "anthropometric 
> landmarks" that come from the CAESAR project

Right, Sandy. Thanks. Great work in compiling that important data.
My big point is that there is a list of 'standard' named feature 
points along with some 'typical' xyz locations given in what I am 
calling skeleton space. The actual xyz location of a feature point can 
be adjusted according to the dimensions of any specific subject human. 
Further, I think that the skin should also be drawn in skeleton space 
and include all feature points as vertices of the skin.
This means we need more specific 'standard' feature points, especially 
for the face, hands, and feet. Then we can provide 'standard' skin(s) 
with 'standard' joint to skin and displacer to skin bindings.

Best Regards,
Joe

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From: "Sandy Ressler" <sressler at nist.gov>
To: "Joe D Williams" <JOEDWIL at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [h-anim] H-Anim WG meeting, January 27th, 5:30pm PST 
(28th, 10:30am KST)

Actually the original feature points are based on "anthropometric 
landmarks" that come from the CAESAR project which is in the 
bibliography of the standard: CAESAR—Digitally Defining the Human 
Body, SAE International, 2003.
http://www.sae.org/technicalcommittees/caesarhome.htm

Sandy

On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Joe D Williams wrote:

>> Question 1: How were the feature points obtained?
>
> I used the standard feature point names listed in the specification 
> as
> a start. The typical xyz locations are given in the VRML examples
> included in the h-anim standard. I added some in between points in
> order to  fill in some points for simple triangules. In some areas,
> like face we need more points.
>
>> Question 2: Are default points necessary?
>
> The idea is that we specify 'standard' feature point names and
> 'tyupical' locations.
>
>> The points are for a specific person and, therefore, cannot be
>> re-used for other persons.
>
> Of course the feature point locations will vary depending upon the
> dimensions of the character being modelled.
>
>> Is the role of the default points to give a guideline to define
>> feature points?
>
> Yes, just like the locations of the joints and length of segments is
> adjusted for the actual human, the feature points are named 
> locations
> that may be varied depending upon the character being created.
>
> Best Regards,
> Joe
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: ""Myeong Won Lee"" <mwlee at suwon.ac.kr>
> To: <h-anim at web3d.org>; <x3d at web3d.org>; <korea-chapter at web3d.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:24 PM
> Subject: [h-anim] H-Anim WG meeting, January 27th, 5:30pm PST (28th,
> 10:30am KST)
>
>
>> The H-Anim WG teleconference meeting will be held in parallel with
>> an in-person meeting at Seoul Palace Hotel, Seoul, Korea.
>>
>> Expected attendees at the in-person meeting are as follows
>> (including possibly one or two other attendees not listed here):
>>
>> Richard F. Puk
>> Anita Havele
>> Jung-Ju Choi
>> Ha-Jine Kimn
>> Myeong Won Lee
>>
>> Expected attendees on the Web3D teleconference call 
>> (+1.877.929.9843
>> ID: 831186#) are as follows:
>>
>> William Glascoe
>> Don Brutzman
>> Joe Williams
>> Roger Nelson
>> David Bruner
>>
>> Please join whoever would like to propose and discuss new work 
>> items
>> for Humanoid Animation.
>>
>>
>> Agenda items for this meeting are as follows:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Participants for the NWIP for H-Anim revision:
>>
>> Myeong Won Lee
>> WIlliam Glascoe
>> Joe Williams
>> Don Bruzman
>> Richard F. Puk
>> Roger Nelson
>> David Bruner
>> Tim Guenzel
>>
>> Please add anyone who is missing.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. Facial Animation, Jung-Ju Choi, Ajou University, Korea
>>
>> Attached: Jung-Ju's presentation file from the SC24 Plenary 
>> Meeting,
>> Brussels, August 2012
>>
>> When to prepare the NWIP for facial animation:
>> Facial animation is another important topic for H-Anim. Another 
>> NWIP
>> (another specification part) for the next version of H-Anim should
>> be considered after defining details and resolving the MPEG-4
>> restriction.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. Review of Joe's comments on Jung-Ju Choi¡?s facial animation
>> work
>>
>> On January 25, Joe mentioned:
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> My biggest comment is that it is possible that the authors of both
>> the planar paper and the facial animation paper have overlooked, or
>> at least not mentioned, the possibility of using the h-anim
>> Displacer node for these functions.
>>
>> Especially for the facial animation technique, I know X3D had
>> specified the Displacer to work with mpeg4 style facial animation
>> goals, and for general vertex animation independent of the
>> joint-skin bindings, but had not completed the work by actually
>> defining the facial skin reference locations completely. I will
>> study more.
>>
>> http://h-anim.org/Specifications/H-Anim1.1/appendices.html#appendixb
>>
>> This showed a list of facial animations targeted for the character.
>> These never made it into the latest version of the standard due to
>> problems in specifying the actual facial feature points and groups
>> of vertices to be animated.
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. Joe's skin feature points
>>
>> On January 4, Joe mentioned:
>> ------------------------------
>> I would like to discuss various features of the scene and the files
>> that are used.
>> For this step, I would like to be sure that we can all read and
>> understand the file here.
>>
>> http://www.hypermultimedia.com/x3d/hanim/JoeH-AnimKick1a.txt
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Question 1: How were the feature points obtained?
>> Question 2: Are default points necessary?
>>
>> The points are for a specific person and, therefore, cannot be
>> re-used for other persons.
>>
>> Is the role of the default points to give a guideline to define
>> feature points?
>>
>>
>> 5. H-Anim Wiki
>>
>> On January 24, Don mentioned.
>>
>> -------------------
>> H-Anim colleagues:  we should review and ensure this page is both
>> up-to-date and clear.
>>
>>       http://www.web3d.org/realtime-3d/working-groups/h-anim
>> ------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> 6. H-Anim motion viewer (video demo), VRLAB, U of Suwon
>>
>> The example viewer using motion capture data can be seen in the
>> following YouTube video:
>> http://youtu.be/O1EfDigQoW0
>>
>>
>>
>> 7. Scheduling next meetings
>>
>> The next H-Anim WG teleconference will be held as follows:
>>
>> (1st Wed) March 6th at 5:00pm PST (7th, 10:00am KST)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Myeong Won Lee
>> College of IT, U. of Suwon
>> Hwaseong-si, Gyeonggi-do, 445-743 Korea
>> Tel) +82-31-220-2313, +82-10-8904-4634
>> E-mail) mwlee at suwon.ac.kr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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