[Korea-chapter] [X3D] Minutes of H-Anim WG meeting, July 21, 4:00pm PDT (at SIGGRAPH and via Web conference)

Mon Jul 22 19:24:45 PDT 2013

There is one more attendee. Sorry.

Attendees:
In person:   William Glascoe(CSC/USAFR, USA), Dick Puk(ISO/IEC
JTC1/SC24/WG6, US&UK), Koji Makita(AIST, Japan),
                   Kwan-Hee Yoo(Chungbuk National U./Korea), Nicholas
Polys(Web3D Consortium, USA),
                   Anita Havele(Web3D Consortium, USA), Hwanyong
Lee(Kyungpook National U., Korea),
                   Joo Young Do(Kyungpook National U., Jung-Ju Choi(Ajou
U., Korea), Gerard J. Kim(Korea U., Korea),
                   Ha-Jine Kimn(ISO/IEC JTC1 SC24, Korea), Johannes
Behr(Fraounhofer IGD, Germany),
                   Leonard Daly(Web3D Consortium/Daly Realism, USA), Myeong
Won Lee(U. of Suwon, Korea)

Via Web conference: Joe Williams(Web3D Consortium, USA), Don Brutzman(NPS,
USA)
Thank you.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Myeong Won Lee <mwlee at suwon.ac.kr> wrote:

>   Below are the minutes of the H-Anim WG meeting at SIGGRAPH.
> If there is anything missing, please add comments as necessary.
>
>
> Attendees:
> In person:   William Glascoe, Dick Puk, Koji Makita, Kwan-Hee Yoo,
> Nicholas Polys,
>      Anita Havele, Hwanyong Lee, Joo Young Do, Jung-Ju Choi, Gerard J.
> Kim,
>      Ha-Jine Kimn, Johannes Behr, Myeong Won Lee
> Via Web conference: Joe Williams, Don Brutzman
>
>
> Nicholas would like to include the chat messages posted during the meeting
> via the ISO webex chat feature to these minutes. However, Gerry and I are
> not sure how to gather a log of the messages. (I am familiar with how to do
> this with Skype, for example, but not with webex.)
> My apologies.
>
>
> >The H-Anim WG meeting will be held with agenda items as follows:
> >Time: July 21 (Sun) 4:00-6:00pm
> >Location: Hilton Anaheim Hotel and via Web conference (
> https://iso-meetings.webex.com)
> >Attendees will be in person and via Web conference.
> >1. Review of NWIP documents for the new H-Anim
>
>
>
> The following item has been added to the scope of the previous version:
>
> - 11) 3D medical object for a humanoid: Humanoid models are useful in the
> medical field, including whole humanoids and partial humanoids (a segment
> or a partial segment), depending on the characteristics of the 3D medical
> application. 3D modeling and animation for medical objects should be
> defined. Volume rendering for medical applications is not included in this
> item.
>
>
>
> - Joe commented that the following items should be corrected because a
> skeletal humanoid can have 3D geometry with segment objects.
>
> 8) Skeletal humanoid: Skeletal humanoid has typically been represented as
> the hierarchical structure of a human figure with a simple geometry
> according to the relationship of joints. However, the representation should
> be enhanced to reference real skeletons with 3D geometric data to apply in
> medical and health fields. An enhanced definition for skeletal humanoid is
> necessary with skinned humanoid representation.
>
>
>
> - Based on Joe's comment, this item is amended to the following:
>
> 8) Skeletal humanoid: Skeletal humanoid has typically been represented as
> the hierarchical structure of a human figure with a simple geometry
> according to the relationship of joints. Real skeletons can be represented
> with 3D geometric data using segment objects. If we consider whole body and
> partial body in medical applications, an enhanced definition for skeletal
> humanoid is necessary with skinned humanoid representation.
>
> Please send comments if this is not acceptable.
>
> Joe, I have just read your e-mail with your concerns about skeletal and
> skinned humanoids.
>
> If the above mentioned descriptions are not clear, I will update them
> again based on your recommendations, after taking a closer look.
>
>
>
> >2. Review of initial drafts for the WDs of the two parts (NWIP)
> >
> >- Humanoid Animation - Architecture (Part 1)
> >- Humanoid Animation - Motion Capture (Part 2)
>
>
>
> In Part 1 WD, ISO/IEC 19774 will be revised as follows:
> - Part 1 includes all the content of ISO/IEC 19774, and will be enhanced
> with details of existing concepts and new items.
> - Existing concepts with be enhanced with further details and examples
> relating to recent work.
> - New items will be added with details and examples.
>
>
>
> Part 2 WD has been enhanced from the draft summary presented at previous
> Korea Chapter meetings and SC24 meetings.
> All new items in the scope of the NWIP for Part 2 have been summarized.
> These will be enhanced with further explanations.
>
>
>
> >3. New proposals
> >
> >- Facial animation, Prof. Jung-Ju Choi (Ajou University, Korea)
> >- Hands and Feet animation, Prof. Kwan-Hee Yoo (Chungbuk National
> University, Korea)
>
>
>
> In Jung-Ju Choi's presentation, he mentioned that it is very difficult to
> define facial expression using the current H-Anim specification.
> He focused on the following points:
>
> - Because H-Anim is based on the skeleton hierarchy, and because facial
> animation is not relevant to the hierachy, it is very difficult to use
> H-Anim for facial expression.
> - Although displacer nodes can be used for facial expression, we would
> have to  define numerous displacer nodes, perhaps hundreds or more for each
> facial expression.
>
>
>
> During Kwan-Hee Yoo's presentation, he mentioned that current H-Anim is
> lacking in representing hands and feet animation.
> He is considering gesture animation of hands and feet using H-Anim, but it
> is difficult to represent gesture because of the following points:
>
> - Anatomically, the number of joints for hands and feet is lacking in the
> H-Anim specification. This is required to define them anatomically in
> detail.
> - He also thinks that the hierarchy of H-Anim makes gesture of hands and
> feet impossible because the motion of palm, sole, or top of foot does not
> depend on this hierarchy.
>
> The joints of palm and foot are not represented with tree structure (tree
> structure), but rather formed in a cycle.
>
> The two proposals will also be discussed further at the SC24 Sydney
> meeting to be held in the last week of August.
> They will continue to develop standards in order to enhance the
> functionality of H-Anim.
> These proposals will also be discussed further at upcoming H-Anim WG
> meetings.
>
>
>
> >4. H-Anim characters designed with general 3D tools
>
> Due to time restrictions, this item could not been discussed at the
> meeting. However, the content is the same as was presented previously.
> Demonstration of an H-Anim motion viewer with various H-Anim characters
> designed with a general 3D tool was scheduled.
> The method of designing an H-Anim character using a general 3D tool is
> included in the Annex of Part 2 WD.
>
>
>
> >5. Scheduling next meeting
> >(1st Wed) August 7 at 5:00pm PDT (1st, 9:00am KST) or
> >(3rd Mon) August 19 at 5:00pm PDT (3rd, 9:00am KST)
>
>
>
> The next H-Anim WG meeting will be held on August 7th at 5pm on the Web3D
> teleconference.
>
> Thank you to all attendees, including those in person as well as those
> attending via Web conference.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Myeong
>  --
> Myeong Won Lee
> Dept. of Information Media, College of IT, U. of Suwon
> Hwaseong-si, Gyeonggi-do, 445-743 Korea
> Tel) +82-31-220-2313, +82-10-8904-4634
> E-mail) mwlee at suwon.ac.kr
>
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Myeong Won Lee
Dept. of Information Media, College of IT, U. of Suwon
Hwaseong-si, Gyeonggi-do, 445-743 Korea
Tel) +82-31-220-2313, +82-10-8904-4634
E-mail) mwlee at suwon.ac.kr
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