[X3D-Ecosystem] Does this AI program generally look correct?

Mon Jan 20 13:10:50 PST 2025

I’m not really sure what you’re saying Michalis.  I’ve got working gramps
export code, so it would seem the task is to do the opposite using similar
API on  import.  I can stare at the API for ages.  I found PivotConstraint
by looking at the API based on what Joe told me, not anything an AI told
me,  the AI was wrong.  There was no PivotConstraint in export or import so
we were on new ground.

No, I can’t consume large amounts of documents on the web, I mostly rely on
code snippets.  If I could read academic documents, I could probably have
gotten a PhD or Masters.  Back when I could read better, my professors
invited me to get a higher degree.

Please be considerate and realize there’s neurodiversity in what people can
accomplish.  Just because I can master the bash shell doesn’t mean I can
use the Blender GUI or play a 3D game to my satisfaction.  I do win world
records regularly on Solitaire4us on Roku. I don’t expect people to learn
vim.  I recommend notepad or vs code.  I did find this thing called vim3d
which is very intriguing.  I did try a “Blender” introductory game, but it
was very short.

Do I expect you to run a marathon or be a concert violinist?

What I probably should do is grab the Blender source code so i can use bash
tools to learn it.  Weird why we didn’t figure that out a long time ago.
That’s how I got as far as I did with CGE.  I did look at Blender RNA a bit.

UTSL!

Ps:

I recently found “grep -L”, should be really useful!  I’ve been wanting
that for quite a while!

I have found AI useful for creating a prototype Python database filtering
GUI, fun stuff and no coding needed except to load the database from X3D
JSON.   AI whipped out most of a naylib to Three.JS conversion as well, and
the result looks better than my hand-coded stuff, probably due to API
limitations.

Just because people are in 3D graphics work doesn’t mean they like to be
immersed in virtual 3D.  My particular bent is mathematical visualization.
I’m not seeing my surfaces in Blender yet, I still want to my surfaces into
Blender, but that may mean extending X3D or Blender.   I hired someone to
get my surfaces into Blender, and they failed, despite having all my
working X3D source code and shaders.

John

On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 3:51 AM Michalis Kamburelis <
michalis.kambi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please don't rely on AI like this. Analyzing why AI said this, not that,
> is often a waste of time, in my experience.
>
> AI is guessing. But you should not be guessing. You should:
>
> - Look at documentation, of everything related (Blender Python API in
> general).
>
> - Walk step by step, testing snippets of code, from smaller (1-line) to
> larger, making sure your code does what you want in each iteration.
>
> - Do the operations in Blender, looking in Blender's Python console what
> your interactive operations translate to in Python. This is a great way to
> learn Python API.
>
> To be clear, AI can be a big help with coding. I'm using it too. But not
> like this. You will just waste time trying to analyze why AI is guessing
> wrong ("hallucinating"), trying to find some "nuggets of truth" in what AI
> tells you. Instead, rely on documentation and do own research.
>
> Basically, use AI to help you with *your own* solution. But don't just
> "take a solution from AI" and don't waste time trying to analyze why AI
> said something wrong.
>
> Regards,
> Michalis
>
> pt., 17 sty 2025 o 18:45 John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> napisał(a):
>
>> Looking at the screen capture some more, there’s tons of evidence that
>> the file got loaded, then the X3D got imported, with no cleanup in-between.
>>
>> Just confirming my intuition.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 11:13 AM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears that import is messed up.  There are 2 armatures with gramps,
>>> when there's only one humanoid in  the file. Weird!  Looking at gramps in
>>> castle, everything looks good except for lighting.  I need to look at
>>> import code a bit more.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> I am unsure I am able to import more than one armature.  There are very
>>> strange errors happening, which I can't currently solve.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 9:44 AM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That’s what I’ve been doing with Joe Kick for nearly a year now.  I
>>>> will try to import gramps and re-export to see what’s up, now that I am
>>>> more confident with export.  There could be an issue with interpolators on
>>>> import, converting to NLA Tracks.
>>>>
>>>> Also, some of Vince and Michalis’ .blend models can use the same
>>>> treatment.
>>>>
>>>> I hear you Joe, but you’re just confirming that I am doing things
>>>> correctly.  We just need to compare first export with second export.  I
>>>> don’t quite know what a Switch will do on import currently, should be
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>> I guess there might be some interpolators which are not connected to
>>>> TimeSensors which could be getting included in the imported animation, but
>>>> importing an export should clear that up.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm.  I wish my brain worked better.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 3:34 AM Joe D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why not show what this produces.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does not look complete but form for Joint node looks correct
>>>>>
>>>>> with center and skinCoordIndex and skinCoordWeights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Jan 16, 2025 10:42 PM
>>>>> To: X3D Ecosystem public discussion <x3d-ecosystem at web3d.org>, Katy
>>>>> Schildmeyer KS APPAREL DESIGN <katy at ksappareldesign.com>, Joe D
>>>>> Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>, Michalis Kamburelis <
>>>>> michalis.kambi at gmail.com>, Vincent Marchetti <vmarchetti at kshell.com>,
>>>>> Carol McDonald <cemd2 at comcast.net>, GPU Group <gpugroup at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Does this AI program generally look correct?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can agree that this generally looks ok, I will try to implement
>>>>> this in the Blender importer:
>>>>> https://claude.site/artifacts/7c4c15f2-1bde-4da5-9503-f4f25b09016a
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize the bone.tail should probably be the child joint center.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not yet know what i am doing wrong, but my focus will be shifting
>>>>> to animation import after export is done to my satisfaction.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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