[X3D-Ecosystem] Does this AI program generally look correct?

[John Carlson]

This looks useful!

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6761337/inspect-getfile-vs-inspect-getsourcefile


John

On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 3:10 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m not really sure what you’re saying Michalis.  I’ve got working gramps
> export code, so it would seem the task is to do the opposite using similar
> API on  import.  I can stare at the API for ages.  I found PivotConstraint
> by looking at the API based on what Joe told me, not anything an AI told
> me,  the AI was wrong.  There was no PivotConstraint in export or import so
> we were on new ground.
>
> No, I can’t consume large amounts of documents on the web, I mostly rely
> on code snippets.  If I could read academic documents, I could probably
> have gotten a PhD or Masters.  Back when I could read better, my professors
> invited me to get a higher degree.
>
> Please be considerate and realize there’s neurodiversity in what people
> can accomplish.  Just because I can master the bash shell doesn’t mean I
> can use the Blender GUI or play a 3D game to my satisfaction.  I do win
> world records regularly on Solitaire4us on Roku. I don’t expect people to
> learn vim.  I recommend notepad or vs code.  I did find this thing called
> vim3d which is very intriguing.  I did try a “Blender” introductory game,
> but it was very short.
>
> Do I expect you to run a marathon or be a concert violinist?
>
> What I probably should do is grab the Blender source code so i can use
> bash tools to learn it.  Weird why we didn’t figure that out a long time
> ago.  That’s how I got as far as I did with CGE.  I did look at Blender RNA
> a bit.
>
> UTSL!
>
> Ps:
>
> I recently found “grep -L”, should be really useful!  I’ve been wanting
> that for quite a while!
>
> I have found AI useful for creating a prototype Python database filtering
> GUI, fun stuff and no coding needed except to load the database from X3D
> JSON.   AI whipped out most of a naylib to Three.JS conversion as well, and
> the result looks better than my hand-coded stuff, probably due to API
> limitations.
>
> Just because people are in 3D graphics work doesn’t mean they like to be
> immersed in virtual 3D.  My particular bent is mathematical visualization.
> I’m not seeing my surfaces in Blender yet, I still want to my surfaces into
> Blender, but that may mean extending X3D or Blender.   I hired someone to
> get my surfaces into Blender, and they failed, despite having all my
> working X3D source code and shaders.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 3:51 AM Michalis Kamburelis <
> michalis.kambi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please don't rely on AI like this. Analyzing why AI said this, not that,
>> is often a waste of time, in my experience.
>>
>> AI is guessing. But you should not be guessing. You should:
>>
>> - Look at documentation, of everything related (Blender Python API in
>> general).
>>
>> - Walk step by step, testing snippets of code, from smaller (1-line) to
>> larger, making sure your code does what you want in each iteration.
>>
>> - Do the operations in Blender, looking in Blender's Python console what
>> your interactive operations translate to in Python. This is a great way to
>> learn Python API.
>>
>> To be clear, AI can be a big help with coding. I'm using it too. But not
>> like this. You will just waste time trying to analyze why AI is guessing
>> wrong ("hallucinating"), trying to find some "nuggets of truth" in what AI
>> tells you. Instead, rely on documentation and do own research.
>>
>> Basically, use AI to help you with *your own* solution. But don't just
>> "take a solution from AI" and don't waste time trying to analyze why AI
>> said something wrong.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michalis
>>
>> pt., 17 sty 2025 o 18:45 John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> napisał(a):
>>
>>> Looking at the screen capture some more, there’s tons of evidence that
>>> the file got loaded, then the X3D got imported, with no cleanup in-between.
>>>
>>> Just confirming my intuition.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 11:13 AM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It appears that import is messed up.  There are 2 armatures with
>>>> gramps, when there's only one humanoid in  the file. Weird!  Looking at
>>>> gramps in castle, everything looks good except for lighting.  I need to
>>>> look at import code a bit more.
>>>>
>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>
>>>> I am unsure I am able to import more than one armature.  There are very
>>>> strange errors happening, which I can't currently solve.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 9:44 AM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That’s what I’ve been doing with Joe Kick for nearly a year now.  I
>>>>> will try to import gramps and re-export to see what’s up, now that I am
>>>>> more confident with export.  There could be an issue with interpolators on
>>>>> import, converting to NLA Tracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, some of Vince and Michalis’ .blend models can use the same
>>>>> treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hear you Joe, but you’re just confirming that I am doing things
>>>>> correctly.  We just need to compare first export with second export.  I
>>>>> don’t quite know what a Switch will do on import currently, should be
>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess there might be some interpolators which are not connected to
>>>>> TimeSensors which could be getting included in the imported animation, but
>>>>> importing an export should clear that up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm.  I wish my brain worked better.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 3:34 AM Joe D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not show what this produces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does not look complete but form for Joint node looks correct
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with center and skinCoordIndex and skinCoordWeights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Jan 16, 2025 10:42 PM
>>>>>> To: X3D Ecosystem public discussion <x3d-ecosystem at web3d.org>, Katy
>>>>>> Schildmeyer KS APPAREL DESIGN <katy at ksappareldesign.com>, Joe D
>>>>>> Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>, Michalis Kamburelis <
>>>>>> michalis.kambi at gmail.com>, Vincent Marchetti <vmarchetti at kshell.com>,
>>>>>> Carol McDonald <cemd2 at comcast.net>, GPU Group <gpugroup at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Does this AI program generally look correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we can agree that this generally looks ok, I will try to implement
>>>>>> this in the Blender importer:
>>>>>> https://claude.site/artifacts/7c4c15f2-1bde-4da5-9503-f4f25b09016a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realize the bone.tail should probably be the child joint center.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not yet know what i am doing wrong, but my focus will be
>>>>>> shifting to animation import after export is done to my satisfaction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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