[x3d-public] HAnim work review meeting minutes - lots of checking/improvements needed on example scenes and tables (DRAFT)
Andreas Plesch
andreasplesch at gmail.com
Wed Oct 17 06:00:39 PDT 2018
Since x3dom does not have ProximitySensor, I adjusted examples here:
https://github.com/andreasplesch/x3dom/tree/HAnim_work/test/functional/HAnim
Specficically these scenes:
<option>19774-2V2AnnexC_Jin2.x3d</option>
<option>AllenDutton2.x3d</option>
<option>DiamondManLOA0_Segments.x3d</option>
<option>HAnimSpecificationLOA3Illustrated.x3d</option>
<option>HAnimSpecificationLOA3Invisible.x3d</option>
<option>HAnimSpecificationLOA3Motion.x3d</option>
<option>1Jin_new20130730.x3d</option>
<option>JoeHAnimKick1a.x3d</option>
<option>JoeSkinTexcoordDisplacerKick.x3d</option>
<option>DiamondManLOA_0_joints2trafo.x3d</option>
<option>Lucy_test0b.x3d</option>
<option>lucy_test3b.x3d</option>
<option>BoxManJoeAnim.x3d</option>
<option>BoxManC.x3d</option>
-Andreas
> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 23:44:27 +0000
> From: "Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)" <brutzman at nps.edu>
> To: Joe D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>, "Humanoid Animation
> (H-Anim) Working Group" <h-anim at web3d.org>
> Cc: X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
> Subject: [x3d-public] HAnim work review meeting minutes - lots of
> checking/improvements needed on example scenes and tables (DRAFT)
> Message-ID: <9c988078-a9c1-3473-8481-797f9fd73d62 at nps.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Joe and I had another excellent, wide-ranging review today.
>
> Conclusion: much work is needed to ensure that HAnim Architecture v2 updates are applied to example scenes and data tables.
>
> Suggestion: everyone should also read Joe's "General Progress" email today.
>
> Work lists follow.
>
> ================================================================================
> ================================================================================
>
> 1. *Things we checked*
>
> X3D Example Archives: Basic, Humanoid Animation
> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/
>
> ISO/IEC DIS 19774, Humanoid animation (H-Anim) ? Part 1: Architecture
> http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/HAnimArchitecture.html
>
> =======================
>
> a. HAnimHumanoid version is indeed HAnim 2.0, as listed in 6.2 Humanoid. Hooray something worked!
>
> =======================
>
> b. FWIW, I don't like the protos in the specification because they include geometry - thus they can't be re-used anywhere.
>
> The X3D Examples archive instead has reusable prototypes with a "children" fields for customizing skeletons in the following model:
>
> HAnim Prototypes
> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/HAnimPrototypesIndex.html
>
> However the prototypes have simple names.
> - Index for ProtoDeclare definitions : Displacer, Humanoid1_1, Joint, Segment, Site
>
> These should be prepended "HAnim" to match the X3D nodes:
> - Index for ProtoDeclare definitions : HAnimDisplacer, HAnimHumanoid, HAnimJoint, HAnimSegment, HAnimSite
>
> *Actions*: Don will
> - save out the the old file as 1_1 (and change Humanoid1_1 to HAnimHumanoid)
> - save modified version for version 2.0
> - confirm/correct all node signatures correct
> - cosmetic improvements to chapter directory: number each item for quick reference of long lists
> - cosmetic improvements to pretty print: left justification of index sections for readability
> - look at all the DEF labels (provided as documentation)
>
> These are testable in combination with the two "Proto Instance" scenes for Allen Dutton and Nancy.
> - I will also look at whether some model renaming can make these easier to find.
>
> =======================
>
> c. AllenDutton.x3D failed in X3DOM because ProximitySensor isn't available in X3DOM.
>
> =======================
>
> d. Wondering whether/how to keep track of what browsers work for each HAnim model?
>
> For each scene that we fix and confirm correct, we will also make a list of which players work. "X3D Players HAnim Support" or somesuch.
>
> =======================
>
> e. DiamondManLOA0,1,2 .x3d models need to be checked
>
> =======================
>
> f. DiamondManLOA03.x3d and DiamondManLOA04.x3d need to be added.
>
> =======================
>
> g. Why are 76 Site nodes provided for LOA-0, event though it only has one renderable Joint?
>
> Conceivably an interchange skin with geometry at each Site might be provided, matching each Site location.
>
> Looks like those sites need to get added to the HAnim DiamondManLOA0,1,2 examples.
>
> Joe has an example that might serve... we will keep going on that.
>
> =======================
>
> h. We need to create new tables for HAnim version 2, matching those in
>
> H-Anim Tables of Names and Features
> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/tables/tables.html
>
> Action: I will save out existing tables as both version 1 and version 2, then we will work on confirming or correcting the version 2 tables.
>
> =======================
>
> i. Joe has a sophisticated LOA 4 scene, we will work our way up the mountain to get there!
>
> ================================================================================
> ================================================================================
>
> 2. *Specification comments*
>
> =======================
>
> Humanoid animation (H-Anim) Part 1: Architecture Annex A (informative)
> Nominal human body dimensions and levels of articulation (LOAs)
> http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/BodyDimensionsAndLOAs.html#LOA0Examples
>
> Multiple occurrences of "humanoidBody" should be "skeleton" to match clause 6.2 Humanoid.
>
> Dick, how do you want to keep track of comments like this against HAnim DIS?
>
> ================================================================================
> ================================================================================
>
> (cough cough) having fun with HAnim!
>
> all the best, Don
> --
> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman at nps.edu
> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 23:53:23 +0000
> From: "Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)" <brutzman at nps.edu>
> To: Joe D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>, "Humanoid Animation
> (H-Anim) Working Group" <h-anim at web3d.org>
> Cc: X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
> Subject: [x3d-public] HAnim work review meeting minutes - lots of
> checking/improvements needed on example scenes and tables (final)
> Message-ID: <acec941c-a2c4-88fa-cd7e-8d826257ac14 at nps.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Joe and I had another excellent, wide-ranging review today.
>
> Conclusion: much work is needed to ensure that HAnim Architecture v2 updates are applied to example scenes and data tables.
>
> Suggestion: everyone should also read Joe's "General Progress" email today.
>
> Work lists follow.
>
> ================================================================================
> ================================================================================
>
> 1. *Things we checked*
>
> X3D Example Archives: Basic, Humanoid Animation
> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/
>
> ISO/IEC DIS 19774, Humanoid animation (H-Anim) ? Part 1: Architecture
> http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/HAnimArchitecture.html
>
> =======================
>
> a. HAnimHumanoid version is indeed HAnim 2.0, as listed in 6.2 Humanoid. Hooray something worked!
>
> =======================
>
> b. FWIW, I don't like the protos in the specification because they include geometry - thus they can't be re-used anywhere.
>
> The X3D Examples archive instead has reusable prototypes with a "children" fields for customizing skeletons in the following model:
>
> HAnim Prototypes
> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/HAnimPrototypesIndex.html
>
> However the prototypes have simple names.
> - Index for ProtoDeclare definitions : Displacer, Humanoid1_1, Joint, Segment, Site
>
> These should be prepended "HAnim" to match the X3D nodes:
> - Index for ProtoDeclare definitions : HAnimDisplacer, HAnimHumanoid, HAnimJoint, HAnimSegment, HAnimSite
>
> *Actions*: Don will
> - save out the the old file as 1_1 (and change Humanoid1_1 to HAnimHumanoid)
> - save modified version for version 2.0
> - confirm/correct all node signatures correct
> - cosmetic improvements to chapter directory: number each item for quick reference of long lists
> - cosmetic improvements to pretty print: left justification of index sections for readability
> - look at all the DEF labels (provided as documentation)
>
> These are testable in combination with the two "Proto Instance" scenes for Allen Dutton and Nancy.
> - I will also look at whether some model renaming can make these easier to find.
>
> =======================
>
> c. AllenDutton.x3D failed in X3DOM because ProximitySensor isn't available in X3DOM.
>
> =======================
>
> d. Wondering whether/how to keep track of what browsers work for each HAnim model?
>
> For each scene that we fix and confirm correct, we will also make a list of which players work. "X3D Players HAnim Support" or somesuch.
>
> =======================
>
> e. DiamondManLOA0,1,2 .x3d models need to be checked
>
> =======================
>
> f. DiamondManLOA03.x3d and DiamondManLOA04.x3d need to be added.
>
> =======================
>
> g. Why are 76 Site nodes provided for LOA-0, event though it only has one renderable Joint?
>
> Conceivably an interchange skin with geometry at each Site might be provided, matching each Site location.
>
> Looks like those sites need to get added to the HAnim DiamondManLOA0,1,2 examples.
>
> Joe has an example that might serve... we will keep going on that.
>
> =======================
>
> h. We need to create new tables for HAnim version 2, matching those in
>
> H-Anim Tables of Names and Features
> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/Basic/HumanoidAnimation/tables/tables.html
>
> Action: I will save out existing tables as both version 1 and version 2, then we will work on confirming or correcting the version 2 tables.
>
> =======================
>
> i. Joe has a sophisticated LOA 4 scene, we will work our way up the mountain to get there!
>
> ================================================================================
> ================================================================================
>
> 2. *Specification comments*
>
> =======================
>
> Humanoid animation (H-Anim) Part 1: Architecture Annex A (informative)
> Nominal human body dimensions and levels of articulation (LOAs)
> http://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/BodyDimensionsAndLOAs.html#LOA0Examples
>
> Multiple occurrences of "humanoidBody" should be "skeleton" to match clause 6.2 Humanoid.
>
> Dick, how do you want to keep track of comments like this against HAnim DIS?
>
> ================================================================================
> ================================================================================
>
> (cough cough) having fun with HAnim!
>
> all the best, Don
> --
> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br brutzman at nps.edu
> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
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