[x3d-public] DIS submission for 19777-3, 4, and 5 (X3D SAI specifications for C, C++, C#), now ready for public and member comment

Tue Dec 13 15:33:04 PST 2022

Snapshot of email, see JSON under 19777!

I recall that JSON is 19776-5, but I should double check!

You may also want to search through email.

John

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 5:12 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please check if JSON draft goes under 19777  or 19776 (along with VRML,
> XML)
>
> Thx
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 5:04 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
> brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>    1. Attendees: Myeong Won Lee, Vince Marchetti, Dick Puk, Don Brutzman.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Meeting goal: Draft International Specification (DIS) document
>>    submissions for 19777-3, 4, and 5 (X3D SAI specifications for C, C++, C#).
>>    These update the prior Working Draft (WD) versions, which passed national
>>    body voting earlier with unanimous approval.  Preliminary original versions
>>    were called Committee Draft (CD).
>>
>>
>>
>> There were three zip files prepared with updated small changes, ready for
>> review.  Myeong has received some comment to date, but we have had little
>> public comment.  Vince Marchetti and John Carlson have been providing
>> comment for the X3D Working Group.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. There are CD and WD versions in GitHub, we should put latest into
>>    version control.
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Web3D Consortium GitHub Archive
>>    - The Web3D Consortium promotes deployment of X3D standards for the
>>    communication of interactive 3D scenes in multiple applications, use cases,
>>    platforms, and verticals. Members collaboratively develop the X3D standards
>>    and tools making them widely adopted across diverse markets for academia,
>>    government, industry, and individuals. The Web3D Consortium offers robust
>>    ISO standardized 3D functionality and long-term stability for enterprise
>>    solutions and interoperability with other standards. This repository is
>>    used for editing draft versions and preparing official submissions of Web3D
>>    Consortium Recommended Standards. Access is restricted to Web3D Consortium
>>    Members.
>>    - For member access and for more information please Contact Web3D.
>>    - https://github.com/Web3DConsortium
>>
>>
>>
>> Don worked with Myeong on this task.  We copied WD into a DIS directory,
>> then drop zips on top so we can diff the new version and see changes.
>> Everything has been checked in.  Note that github does not permit seeing
>> HTML pages via the Web interface, only source.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1.
>>       https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/X3D/tree/master/ISO-IEC19777/ISO-IEC19777-3/ISO-IEC19777-3v3.3/ISO-IEC19777-3v3.3-DIS
>>       2.
>>       https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/X3D/tree/master/ISO-IEC19777/ISO-IEC19777-4/ISO-IEC19777-4v3.3/ISO-IEC19777-4v3.3-DIS
>>       3.
>>       https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/X3D/tree/master/ISO-IEC19777/ISO-IEC19777-5/ISO-IEC19777-5v3.3/ISO-IEC19777-5v3.3-DIS
>>
>>
>>
>> Now publicly visible for review and comment at
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. X3D SAI for C
>>       http://www.web3d.org/specifications/ISO-IEC19777/ISO-IEC19777-3v3.3-DIS
>>       2. X3D SAI for C++
>>       http://www.web3d.org/specifications/ISO-IEC19777/ISO-IEC19777-4v3.3-DIS
>>       3. X3D SAI for C#
>>       http://www.web3d.org/specifications/ISO-IEC19777/ISO-IEC19777-5v3.3-DIS
>>
>>
>>
>> **All comments are now welcome on these specifications prior to
>> submission to ISO/IEC.**
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Procedures for preparation and submission of Web3D specifications
>>    to ISO:
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Web3D Standards Adoption Process
>>    - https://www.web3d.org/standards/adoption-process
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to perform step 6a in order to transition to step 7, where Web3D
>> Board of Directors approves completed submission of DIS version to ISO, and
>> ISO procedures are followed after that.
>>
>>
>>
>> (Step 6) Submit Standard or Extension for Board approval and Member vote
>>
>> a.     Web3D Consortium Board of Directors review
>>
>> b.     Board determines if a Web3D Members vote is necessary
>>
>> c.      Tabulate Member vote results
>>
>> d.     Start ISO certification process after final Board approval
>>
>> (Step 7) ISO Certification - Follows ISO policy for all standards
>>
>>
>>
>> We think that member review is sufficient and a subsequent member vote is
>> not needed.
>>
>>    - Functionality is well defined for v3.3
>>    - Several steps of review have been taken already,
>>    - There is no surprising functionality, all of these are language
>>    bindings that functionally match Abstract SAI, 19775-2.
>>
>>
>>
>> We also think this work is straightforward and not controversial.  It
>> would be appropriate for BoD to approve release subsequent to collection
>> and integration of comments, if no major problems are detected.  This will
>> hopefully handle any delays due to holiday break.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas Polys has action on Board approvals.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Something apparently missing: no Mantis issues have been recorded
>>    for these specifications.
>>
>>
>>
>> Confirmed that projects are standing by and ready for issues on these
>> specifications.
>>
>>
>>
>> X3D-19777-1 (ECMAScript)
>> <https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/manage_proj_edit_page.php?project_id=8>
>>
>> development
>>
>> X
>>
>> private
>>
>> Comemnts against 19777-1 (SAI ECMAScript).
>>
>> X3D-19777-2 (Java)
>> <https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/manage_proj_edit_page.php?project_id=9>
>>
>> development
>>
>> X
>>
>> private
>>
>> Comemnts against 19777-2 (SAI Java).
>>
>> X3D-19777-3 (C)
>> <https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/manage_proj_edit_page.php?project_id=15>
>>
>> development
>>
>> X
>>
>> private
>>
>> C language binding
>>
>> X3D-19777-4 (C++)
>> <https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/manage_proj_edit_page.php?project_id=16>
>>
>> development
>>
>> X
>>
>> private
>>
>> Comments on C++ language binding
>>
>> X3D-19777-5 (C#)
>> <https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/manage_proj_edit_page.php?project_id=17>
>>
>> development
>>
>> X
>>
>> private
>>
>> Comments on C# language bindng
>>
>> X3D-19777-5 (JSON)
>> <https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/manage_proj_edit_page.php?project_id=20>
>>
>> development
>>
>> X
>>
>> private
>>
>> Comments on JSON encoding
>>
>> X3D-19777-6 (Python)
>> <https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/manage_proj_edit_page.php?project_id=18>
>>
>> development
>>
>> X
>>
>> private
>>
>> comments on Python binding
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Expedited plan for next steps, seems feasible:
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Web3D and public review: both can occur when documents are ready.
>>       Goal: start today!
>>
>>                   i.      13 DEC 2022, post publicly for discussion on
>> x3d-public at web3d.org
>>
>>                  ii.      27 DEC 2022 close comments, enter primary
>> comments in Mantis
>>
>>                iii.      29 DEC 2022 review meeting, 1300 Pacific (2100
>> UDT). (Puk Brutzman Lee Marchetti)
>>
>>    1. Web3D Board of Directors approval: in advance (if approved) or
>>       else in January.  Nicholas is POC for this step.
>>       2. Submission to ISO/IEC when complete.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Looking ahead.  There are multiple opportunities for people to
>>    contribute in the new year:  HAnim for human internal organs, HAnim facial
>>    animation, possibly HAnim for apparel, python language binding, upgrading
>>    C,C++,C# to X3D4, and probably even more.  A lot of good things to do in
>>    2023!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Myeong Won Lee and everyone for many enduring efforts.  Have fun
>> with X3D!
>>
>>
>>
>> all the best, Don
>>
>> --
>>
>> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>
>> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>> +1.831.656.2149
>>
>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://
>> faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 4:36 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
>> brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Myeong: thanks for offering times available to review X3D SAI
>> specifications for C, C++, C#.
>>
>> Dick and I can meet Tuesday 1300 pacific (2100 UTC).  Have sent calendar
>> appointment for Web3D zoom room.
>>
>> I’m surprised that the need for Web3D review and approval prior to DIS
>> submission is unfamiliar – very important requirement.
>>
>> Vince, can you please share relevant documentation regarding Web3D
>> specification review process?
>>
>> Have confirmed that three pairs of WD and CD versions are in Web3D github
>> but absolutely no work has occurred on updating the CD versions for DIS.
>>
>>    - Github, Web3DConsortium/X3D/ISO-IEC19777
>>    - https://github.com/Web3DConsortium/X3D/tree/master/ISO-IEC19777
>>    <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWeb3DConsortium%2FX3D%2Ftree%2Fmaster%2FISO-IEC19777&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7C6af638a045ce4a6de0fd08dadd150516%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638065379597242279%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DYZv%2BnQeS5rabKf%2Ba7RkGioMibZx1bOmAPHN%2FXPnulc%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> No Mantis issues have been entered (nor is there a category for 19777
>> that I could find).
>>
>>    - Web3D Consortium Mantis issue tracker
>>    - https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php
>>
>>  Suggested next steps:
>>
>>    1. Meet, discuss Web3D-ISO and Korea Chapter relationships
>>    2. Make .zip versions publicly viewable as documents
>>    3. Set a deadline for comment to X3D Working Group by end of year.
>>    4. Draft message requesting Board of Directors approval of submission
>>    following 2 week review period.
>>
>>  Hope that all sounds OK.  Thanks Myeong for your efforts, thanks
>> everyone for all inputs.
>>
>> all the best, Don
>>
>> --
>>
>> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>
>> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>> +1.831.656.2149
>>
>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://
>> faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>
>>
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