[x3d-public] X3D agenda 3 MAR 2022: announcements, Mantis issues, NurbsSweptSurface NurbsSwungSurface, planning

Fri Mar 4 04:26:06 PST 2022

Errata:

I wrote

"""I think cutOffAngle = pi/4 , as default, is good: it matches previous
X3D >= 3.2, it matches glTF"""

I meant

"""
I think cutOffAngle = pi/4 , as default, is good: it matches previous
X3D <= 3.2, it matches glTF
"""

pt., 4 mar 2022 o 12:59 Michalis Kamburelis <michalis.kambi at gmail.com>
napisał(a):
>
> 1. As for SpotLight:
>
>     I made images where I tested various values for beamWidth, with
> the intuitive goal to make "beamWidth close, but not equal, to
> cutOffAngle". To show penumbra, but make it a narrow penumbra.
>
>     They are available on
> https://github.com/michaliskambi/x3d-tests/tree/master/beam_width_test_images
> . (You can download whole repo
> https://github.com/michaliskambi/x3d-tests to easily get them on your
> disk.)
>
>     In all cases, cutOffAngle = pi/4 . As I proposed on last meeting,
> I think cutOffAngle = pi/4 , as default, is good: it matches previous
> X3D >= 3.2, it matches glTF. It it *wider* than probably most real
> spot lights, but I feel this is just something authors should adjust.
>
>     So I just tested 4 possible beamWidth values:
>
>     - pi * 1/8 (0.125)
>     - pi * 1/6 (~0.166)
>     - pi * 3/16 (0.1875) (I think Vince proposed this already at one
> past meeting?)
>     - pi * 7/32 (0.21875)
>
>     I tested them in various environments. I deliberately wanted to
> see them in some "real", textured, non-trivial 3D level, not just in
> artificial empty 3D scene -- to judge them.
>
>     Action on the meeting: I propose we just choose one the above 4
> beamWidth values. And then it's done. We fix X3D spec with cutOffAngle
> = default pi/4, beamWidth = default we choose today,
>
> 2. On the meeting, I'd also like to briefly mention Khronos glTF certification:
>
>     https://www.khronos.org/3dcommerce/certification/
>
>     https://www.khronos.org/3dcommerce/certification/certified-viewers/
>
>     https://github.com/KhronosGroup/3DC-Certification
>
>     https://github.khronos.org/3DC-Sample-Viewer/
>
>     The process is already open to participants. Although they also
> plan to extend it, with more test-cases, with precise light
> environment definitions in glTF.
>
>     I want to test Castle Game Engine / view3dscene with it :) Aside
> from a gain for Castle Game Engine / view3dscene, this will also be a
> gain for X3Dv4: we should prove this way that X3Dv4 nodes can really
> 100% express what glTF specification describes.
>
>     The certification covers features from glTF core spec + glTF
> punctual lighting extension + (right now) there is a practical
> requirement on browser to have a specific environment lighting
> built-in. So I believe we're close to "just having it" in Castle Game
> Engine / view3dscene. And it is connected with EnvironmentLight in
> Castle Game Engine / view3dscene, which is something I want to finish
> soon anyway.
>
> 3. We talked at one point about making particle system emitter an X3DChildNode.
>
>     I looked at spec,
> https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/particleSystems.html
> , and this would be wrong. The current state of spec is good:
> X3DParticleEmitterNode is supposed to be placed within
> ParticleSystem.emitter field. And ParticleSystem is a X3DShapeNode
> (which is already X3DChildNode).
>
>     So, let's not change anything here. It wouldn't be valid to allow
> X3DParticleEmitterNode directly inside some grouping nodes.
>
> Regards,
> Michalis
>
> pt., 4 mar 2022 o 08:05 Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)
> <brutzman at nps.edu> napisał(a):
> >
> > 1.       Regular Friday meeting Friday 08-0900 pacific, call information follows.  All inputs and participation welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > Videoconference Connectivity:
> >
> > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09
> > https://zoom.us/j/148206572  Password 483805
> > https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information
> >
> >
> >
> > 2.       A lot of great things are happening!  Announcements welcome.   8)
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.web3d.org/x3d4
> > https://www.web3d.org/x3dv4-highlights
> >
> >
> >
> > 3.       We have a few pending Mantis issues (e.g. Spotlight default values) that maybe can be resolved.
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php
> >
> >
> >
> > X3D4 Architecture
> > https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/Architecture.html
> >
> >
> >
> > 4.       Problem:  I’m not sure that NurbsSweptSurface and NurbsSwungSurface are well defined.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > X3D4 Architecture, 27 Nurbs Component, 27.4.11 NurbsSweptSurface
> > https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/nurbs.html#NurbsSweptSurface
> >
> >
> >
> > X3D4 Architecture, 27 Nurbs Component, 27.4.11 NurbsSwungSurface
> > https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/nurbs.html#NurbsSwungSurface
> >
> >
> >
> > Got better figures?  No actual NURBS appear to be in the figures, just spines…
> > Got examples?
> > First-pass discussion: what needs to be done to improve these?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 5.       Planning our next meetings
> >
> >
> >
> > 11 MAR 2022, achieving WebXR support for X3DOM
> >
> > https://www.x3dom.org
> >
> >
> >
> > 18 MAR 2022, do we have complete implementations of X3D Geospatial Component?
> >
> > https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-CD1/Part01/components/geospatial.html
> >
> >
> >
> > 6.       and…   wait for it…   Have Fun With X3D!     8)
> >
> >
> >
> > all the best, Don
> >
> > --
> >
> > Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br        brutzman at nps.edu
> >
> > Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA    +1.831.656.2149
> >
> > X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https:// faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
> >
> >
> >
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