[x3d-public] X3D agenda 16 SEP 2022: Mantis issues, X3D-glTF comparison, Web3D Roadmap, X3D Web Stack diagrams

[John Carlson]

Doug Sanden suggested we include Web Assembly (WASM).  Presumably it would
be compiling an X3D Browser.  I am not sure if we are going to compile X3D
applications to WASM, but it's a nice thought!

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 3:00 PM Christoph Valentin <
christoph.valentin at gmx.at> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for my "brain farts", but one silly idea.
>
> If X3D is ONE standard (for WebGL, OpenGL and DirectX)
> and if X3D is backwards compatible with VRML worlds,
> and if some future development (which need not carry the name "X3D") will
> be backwards compatible with X3D,
>
> then,
>
> why shouldn't we draw another contiguous block below the "X3D Application"
> and call this block
>
> "Web3D Browser (Web Based, OpenGL based, DirectX based, ......)".
>
> Kr,
> CP
>
> --
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> Am 15.09.22, 21:22 schrieb Christoph Valentin <christoph.valentin at gmx.at>:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> 1) You mean?
>>
>> -. HTML instead of HTML Browser
>> - concrete X3D engines instead of "X3D Engine" (why are X_ITE and X3DOM
>> listed, standalone X3D engines are not listed by name?).
>>
>> 2) One question to all:
>> The "X3D Application" (I would rather call it "Web3D Application") is a
>> contiguous block above "both worlds".
>>
>> Are we all on the same page, what this means? Not the provider of the
>> application, but the user of the application selects which X3D browser to
>> use?
>>
>> Kr,
>> Christoph
>>
>>
>>
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>> Am 15.09.22, 21:09 schrieb John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> More likely, a combined term would be API?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 2:04 PM Christoph Valentin <
>>> christoph.valentin at gmx.at> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> One small remark about x3d web stack.
>>>>
>>>> The picture uses two kinds of blocks
>>>> 1. Software entities (Browser, Engine, OS, ...)
>>>> 2. Standards (WebGL, OpenGL, ...)
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't we write software entities instead of standards (e.g. WebGL is
>>>> implemented by JavaScript engines)?
>>>>
>>>> Kr
>>>>
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>>>> Am 15.09.22, 20:49 schrieb "Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)" <
>>>> brutzman at nps.edu>:
>>>>
>>>>> [corrected agenda follows, apologies for prior runaway email]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There will be a meeting of X3D Working Group on Friday 29 July 2022 at
>>>>> 09-10 pacific.  Connection information and topics follow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    -
>>>>>    https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09
>>>>>    - https://zoom.us/j/148206572  Password 483805
>>>>>    - https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Agenda review
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Good progress in Design Printing Scanning call led to two new
>>>>>    Mantis issues for possible comment:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Mantis 1400: add Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) to recommended
>>>>>    image formats for ImageTexture
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1400
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Mantis 1401: aligning X3D4 LineProperties with Quality
>>>>>    Information Framework (QIF) specification
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.web3d.org/member-only/mantis/view.php?id=1401
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Any further improvements to X3D-glTF comparison?  Excellent
>>>>>    progress so far, this is a valuable review.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Features Comparison X3D 4.0 and glTF 2.0
>>>>>    -
>>>>>    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x0DnRtg33AuOA_aSl70L41Gq5m6TFt4t
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Reviewing Web3D Roadmap, Anita and Communications Team made
>>>>>    some good edits today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    -
>>>>>    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jwY0JeYyvA8aW-e-Q06GINQkJS7b7S8jgjpJZGDjl0I/edit#slide=id.p3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Considering further refactoring of X3D Web Stack diagrams
>>>>>    (three variations attached)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Onward we go…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> all the best, Don
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>>>>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>>>>> +1.831.656.2149
>>>>>
>>>>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://
>>>>> faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>>>>
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