[x3d-public] Archive does not validate with X3D validator, at least with schematron.
Joseph D Williams
joedwil at earthlink.net
Wed Jan 11 11:13:26 PST 2023
➢ Perhaps it would be best to start with python or java to create humanoids, instead of starting with XML?
To me, the opportunity to use alternate encodings is fun but really, XML is hard enough and I have not seen any additional expressive concepts to aid authoring in other encodings, only limitations because mostly not intended or well developed for the compete scene graph, but potentially very useful for certain transport jobs.
For the XML, we are accumulating authoring aids and firm validation by reliable schema tools that may be enough to capture the full expression of x3d. Thus, when we want to transport x3d scene graph, we can now best trust the x3d xml schema. So, XML becomes the standard definition by which conformance by all others are therefore derived.
Use whatever you wish, just please, for validation, present best xml useful for example user code in Part 1 Annex A. Please make sure you can generate reasonable .x3d XML with appropriate comments from whatever you use to generate the V2 LOA4 in appropriate Human dimensions mostly shown in the last two tables in annex A. If we can refine those numbers then we can change the value in the table. We just need an up to date xml example in Part 1 Annex A.
➢ What I suggest we try to do is create a "DNA" builder, by reverse engineering humanoid examples. And from the "DNA", procedurally generate humanoids.
Note that the schema for the HAnimHumanoid fully describes the joint hierarchy and the various sites associated with each Joint. A plan is that we should be able to build a character based on that data directly, if we know all the measurements. A smart enogh ai would naturally know to start with the suggested set of joint and site locations in human scale appropriate for the model dimensions.
Thanks,
Joe
From: John Carlson
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:57 PM
To: Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)
Cc: Joe D Williams; X3D Graphics public mailing list
Subject: Re: Archive does not validate with X3D validator, at least with schematron.
I realize hand-crafting any computer code, in any language is tremendously hard. That's why I try to do automated generation (program synthesis) as much as possible.
That's why I attempted to create grammars, schemas, etc., because they lead toward "procedural generation." This is a bit like generating a humanoid from a kind of "DNA" or metahuman. What I suggest we try to do is create a "DNA" builder, by reverse engineering humanoid examples. And from the "DNA", procedurally generate humanoids.
Perhaps it would be best to start with python or java to create humanoids, instead of starting with XML?
Just thinking out loud here. Not demanding anything at this point.
I think the challenge is to create a prototype, then tweak the prototype. Let me know how I can help, possibly by converting the prototype to various encodings and bindings?
Maybe it would be appropriate to develop something that would mutate a model?
Thanks for listening.
John
On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 11:58 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
John: HAnim models are among the largest and most detailed we have. It is a lot of work to get a 3D model perfectly correct… but then it works and is checkable/repeatable/useful. I don’t think that anyone anywhere can do any kind of apparel or medical modeling with paying immense attention to Quality Assurance (QA), as we are. The day after a flashy demo is important too.
Over time, by paying attention to bugfixes and corrections through the addition of validation and diagnostics, Joe and I have reduced the number of previously undetected bugs from gargantuan to merely huge. Half of that challenge is getting diagnostics correct in the first place, no easy feat. The Great Bug Hunt continues, to good effect.
If you want to see our latest test outputs from X3D Schematron, this past weekend I have updated that file as follows. It is prominently listed in the HAnim Example Archives themselves.
• HumanoidAnimation (HAnim) X3D Examples Archive
• 8 Directories, 86 X3D Models (with most models working but few perfect)
• https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation
• https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/build.schematron.log.txt
Also updated, here is an improved feature in the pretty-print HTML for each model, which includes much special handling of HAnim. This continues the automated elaboration of Joe’s original technique using plain-old-ASCII text descriptions of the HAnim tree structure. Enjoy.
• X3D Example Archives: Humanoid Animation, Skin, Joe Skeleton Skin Site Salute Walk
• https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/JoeSkeletonSkinSiteSaluteWalkIndex.html
• https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/JoeSkeletonSkinSiteSaluteWalk.html
• https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/JoeSkeletonSkinSiteSaluteWalk.html#HumanHAnimHumanoidReport
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HAnimHumanoid Joe_Human skeleton holds X3D4 HAnim2 joints/segments/sites and a skin node.
[key] jointname : segmentname ^ sitename
[nodes] HAnimJoint (89), : HAnimSegment (90), % HAnimDisplacer (0), $ HAnimMotion (0), ^ HAnimSite (88), @ skin nodes (1)
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HAnimHumanoid DEF='Joe_Human name='Human' loa='-1'
skin Shape DEF='SkinShape'
skeleton
HumanoidRoot : sacrum
sacroiliac : pelvis ^ l_iliocristale, l_trochanterion, r_iliocristale, r_trochanterion, l_asis, r_asis, l_psis, r_psis, floormarker, crotch
| l_hip : l_thigh ^ l_knee_crease, l_femoral_lateral_epicn, l_femoral_medial_epicn
| | l_knee : l_calf ^ l_lateral_malleolus, l_medial_malleolus
| | l_ankle (HAnim2 name l_talocrural) : l_hindfoot (HAnim2 name l_talocrural) ^ l_sphyrion (HAnim2 name l_talocrural), l_calcaneous_post (HAnim2 name l_talocrural)
| | l_subtalar (HAnim2 name l_tarsometatarsal_2) : l_midproximal (HAnim2 name l_tarsometatarsal_2)
| | l_midtarsal (HAnim2 name l_metatarsophalangeal_2) : l_middistal (HAnim2 name l_metatarsophalangeal_2) ^ l_metatarsal_pha1 (HAnim2 name l_metatarsophalangeal_2)
| | l_metatarsal (HAnim2 name l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2) : l_forefoot (HAnim2 name l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2) ^ l_metatarsal_pha5 (HAnim2 name l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2), l_digit2 (HAnim2 name l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2)
| r_hip : r_thigh ^ r_knee_crease, r_femoral_lateral_epicn, r_femoral_medial_epicn
| r_knee : r_calf ^ r_lateral_malleolus, r_medial_malleolus
| r_ankle (HAnim2 name r_talocrural) : r_hindfoot (HAnim2 name r_talocrural) ^ r_sphyrion (HAnim2 name r_talocrural), r_calcaneous_post (HAnim2 name r_talocrural)
| r_subtalar (HAnim2 name r_tarsometatarsal_2) : r_midproximal (HAnim2 name r_tarsometatarsal_2)
| r_midtarsal (HAnim2 name r_metatarsophalangeal_2) : r_middistal (HAnim2 name r_metatarsophalangeal_2) ^ r_metatarsal_pha1 (HAnim2 name r_metatarsophalangeal_2)
| r_metatarsal (HAnim2 name r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2) : r_forefoot (HAnim2 name r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2) ^ r_metatarsal_pha5 (HAnim2 name r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2), r_digit2 (HAnim2 name r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2)
vl5 : toPelvis l5 ^ waist_preferred_post, navel
vl4 : l4
vl3 : l3
vl2 : l2 ^ r_rib10, l_rib10, rib10_midspine
vl1 : l1
vt12 : t12
vt11 : t11
vt10 : t10 ^ substernale
vt9 : t9 ^ r_thelion, l_thelion
vt8 : t8
vt7 : t7
vt6 : t6
vt5 : t5
vt4 : t4
vt3 : t3
vt2 : t2
vt1 : t1 ^ suprasternale, cervicale
| vc7 : c7 ^ r_neck_base, l_neck_base
| | vc6 : c6
| | vc5 : c5
| | vc4 : c4
| | vc3 : c3
| | vc2 : c2
| | vc1 : c1
| | skullbase : skull ^ skull_tip, sellion, r_infraorbitale, l_infraorbitale, supramenton, r_tragion, r_gonion, l_tragion, l_gonion, nuchale
| | l_eyeball_joint : l_eyeball
| | r_eyeball_joint : r_eyeball
| l_sternoclavicular : l_clavicle ^ l_clavicale
| l_acromioclavicular : l_scapula ^ l_acromion, l_axilla_ant, l_axilla_post
| l_shoulder : l_upperarm ^ l_humeral_medial_epicn, l_radiale, l_humeral_lateral_epicn
| l_elbow : l_forearm ^ l_radial_styloid, l_olecranon
| l_wrist (HAnim2 name l_radiocarpal) : l_hand (HAnim2 name l_radiocarpal) ^ l_metacarpal_pha2 (HAnim2 name l_radiocarpal), l_ulnar_styloid (HAnim2 name l_radiocarpal), l_metacarpal_pha5 (HAnim2 name l_radiocarpal)
| l_thumb1 : l_thumb_metacarpal
| | l_thumb2 : l_thumb_distal
| | l_thumb3 : l_thumb_distal ^ l_thumb_distal_tip
| l_index0 : l_index_metacarpal
| | l_index1 : l_index_proximal
| | l_index2 : l_index_middle
| | l_index3 : l_index_distal ^ l_index_distal_tip, l_dactylion
| l_middle0 : l_middle_metacarpal
| | l_middle1 : l_middle_proximal
| | l_middle2 : l_middle_middle
| | l_middle3 : l_middle_distal ^ l_middle_distal_tip
| l_ring0 : l_ring_metacarpal
| | l_ring1 : l_ring_proximal
| | l_ring2 : l_ring_middle
| | l_ring3 : l_ring_distal ^ l_ring_distal_tip
| l_pinky0 : l_pinky_metacarpal
| l_pinky1 : l_pinky_proximal
| l_pinky2 : l_pinky_middle
| l_pinky3 : l_pinky_distal ^ l_pinky_distal_tip
r_sternoclavicular : r_clavicle ^ r_clavicale
r_acromioclavicular : r_scapula ^ r_acromion, r_axilla_ant, r_axilla_post
r_shoulder : r_upperarm ^ r_humeral_medial_epicn, r_radiale, r_humeral_lateral_epicn
r_elbow : r_forearm ^ r_radial_styloid, r_olecranon
r_wrist (HAnim2 name r_radiocarpal) : r_hand (HAnim2 name r_radiocarpal) ^ r_ulnar_styloid (HAnim2 name r_radiocarpal)
r_thumb1 : r_thumb_metacarpal
| r_thumb2 : r_thumb_proximal
| r_thumb3 : r_thumb_distal ^ r_thumb_distal_tip
r_index0 : r_index_metacarpal ^ r_metacarpal_pha2
| r_index1 : r_index_proximal
| r_index2 : r_index_middle
| r_index3 : r_index_distal ^ r_index_distal_tip
r_middle0 : r_middle_metacarpal
| r_middle1 : r_middle_proximal
| r_middle2 : r_middle_middle
| r_middle3 : r_middle_distal ^ r_dactylion, r_middle_distal_tip
r_ring0 : r_ring_metacarpal
| r_ring1 : r_ring_proximal
| r_ring2 : r_ring_middle
| r_ring3 : r_ring_distal ^ r_ring_distal_tip
r_pinky0 : r_pinky_metacarpal ^ r_metacarpal_pha5
r_pinky1 : r_pinky_proximal
r_pinky2 : r_pinky_middle
r_pinky3 : r_pinky_distal ^ r_pinky_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment pelvis holds 10 HAnimSite nodes: l_iliocristale, l_trochanterion, r_iliocristale, r_trochanterion, l_asis, r_asis, l_psis, r_psis, floormarker, crotch
^ HAnimSegment l_thigh holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: l_knee_crease, l_femoral_lateral_epicn, l_femoral_medial_epicn
^ HAnimSegment l_calf holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: l_lateral_malleolus, l_medial_malleolus
^ HAnimSegment l_hindfoot holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: l_sphyrion, l_calcaneous_post
^ HAnimSegment l_middistal holds 1 HAnimSite node: l_metatarsal_pha1
^ HAnimSegment l_forefoot holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: l_metatarsal_pha5, l_digit2
^ HAnimSegment r_thigh holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: r_knee_crease, r_femoral_lateral_epicn, r_femoral_medial_epicn
^ HAnimSegment r_calf holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: r_lateral_malleolus, r_medial_malleolus
^ HAnimSegment r_hindfoot holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: r_sphyrion, r_calcaneous_post
^ HAnimSegment r_middistal holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_metatarsal_pha1
^ HAnimSegment r_forefoot holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: r_metatarsal_pha5, r_digit2
^ HAnimSegment l5 holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: waist_preferred_post, navel
^ HAnimSegment l2 holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: r_rib10, l_rib10, rib10_midspine
^ HAnimSegment t10 holds 1 HAnimSite node: substernale
^ HAnimSegment t9 holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: r_thelion, l_thelion
^ HAnimSegment t1 holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: suprasternale, cervicale
^ HAnimSegment c7 holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: r_neck_base, l_neck_base
^ HAnimSegment skull holds 10 HAnimSite nodes: skull_tip, sellion, r_infraorbitale, l_infraorbitale, supramenton, r_tragion, r_gonion, l_tragion, l_gonion, nuchale
^ HAnimSegment l_clavicle holds 1 HAnimSite node: l_clavicale
^ HAnimSegment l_scapula holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: l_acromion, l_axilla_ant, l_axilla_post
^ HAnimSegment l_upperarm holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: l_humeral_medial_epicn, l_radiale, l_humeral_lateral_epicn
^ HAnimSegment l_forearm holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: l_radial_styloid, l_olecranon
^ HAnimSegment l_hand holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: l_metacarpal_pha2, l_ulnar_styloid, l_metacarpal_pha5
^ HAnimSegment l_thumb_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: l_thumb_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment l_index_distal holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: l_index_distal_tip, l_dactylion
^ HAnimSegment l_middle_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: l_middle_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment l_ring_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: l_ring_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment l_pinky_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: l_pinky_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment r_clavicle holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_clavicale
^ HAnimSegment r_scapula holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: r_acromion, r_axilla_ant, r_axilla_post
^ HAnimSegment r_upperarm holds 3 HAnimSite nodes: r_humeral_medial_epicn, r_radiale, r_humeral_lateral_epicn
^ HAnimSegment r_forearm holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: r_radial_styloid, r_olecranon
^ HAnimSegment r_hand holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_ulnar_styloid
^ HAnimSegment r_thumb_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_thumb_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment r_index_metacarpal holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_metacarpal_pha2
^ HAnimSegment r_index_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_index_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment r_middle_distal holds 2 HAnimSite nodes: r_dactylion, r_middle_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment r_ring_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_ring_distal_tip
^ HAnimSegment r_pinky_metacarpal holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_metacarpal_pha5
^ HAnimSegment r_pinky_distal holds 1 HAnimSite node: r_pinky_distal_tip
@ HAnimHumanoid Human holds 1 containerField='skin' node: Shape DEF='SkinShape'
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No kidding, real deal. Have fun with X3D and HAnim2. 8)
all the best, Don
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Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149
X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https:// faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
From: John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 7:12 PM
To: Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu>; X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>; Joe D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Archive does not validate with X3D validator, at least with schematron.
Note: The python conversion validation. x3d.py package up-to-date, Below
So there's probably something specific to X3D schematron (not XML). I will try my version.
Suggestion. People find a reasonably patterned HAnim V2 model, and I will copy the pattern to create an LOA4 model. I believe this is the best path forward.
~/X3DJSONLD/src/main/python ~/X3DJSONLD/src/main/shell
x3d.py package 4.0.64.2 loaded, have fun with X3D Graphics!
Self-test diagnostics for JoeSkeletonSkinSaluteSiteWalk.py:
meta information, warning: Under development, numerous errors and warnings, TODO: This is an HAnimV1 loa model, might need to convert to X3D4 to note loa value, TODO: Provide feedback to tovrmlx3d converter, TODO: HAnimJoint cannot contain X3DChildNode elements, only HAnimJoint HAnimSegmet HAnimSite - improve diagnostics. TODO: ensure name prefix "Joe_" applied to all contained DEF values (not name field), perhaps correction automatically applied by X3DTidy
Python-to-XML well-formed XML document test of XML output complete
Python-to-XML X3D 4.0 schema validation test of XML output complete
Python-to-VRML export of VRML output successful
Python-to-JSON export of JSON output successful (under development)
python JoeSkeletonSkinSaluteSiteWalk.py load and self-test diagnostics complete.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 8:50 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
This is a work in progress, I think, but realize it's on the X3D Resources Examples archive website:
https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/HumanoidAnimation/Skin/JoeSkeletonSkinSiteSaluteWalk.x3d
Have fun with X3D!
John
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