[x3d-public] HAnim2 LOA4 Hierarchy from X3DUOM
John Carlson
yottzumm at gmail.com
Sat Jan 28 22:09:11 PST 2023
Actually I haven’t checked my code for “several parent” issues yet. I have
no idea what several parents would look like, except for 3 USE/1 DEF nodes
with same name field value. I’m pretty sure this only applies to LOA4—we
don’t have a lot of LOA4 examples of yet.
If this is not yet included in your tools, that would be helpful to check.
I hope we haven’t lost this info!
It’s my recollection that this occurred in either the hands or feet.
John
I made a couple of changes from previous mail, below, sorry for confusion.
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:45 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
> It’s also useful to recall that a couple of parts of the skeleton have
> multiple parents (with the root as topmost parent), which I have yet to
> include, FYI. More details would be welcome!
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 3:19 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
> brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>
>> As part of followup actions from yesterday’s three specific parent-child
>> relationship corrections, am now autogenerating the following table using
>> X3DUOM. It should match the international-standard hand-generated HAnim2
>> specification for LOA-4 Hierarchy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Spot check:
>>
>> 1. Joint vl5 has parent humanoid_root
>> 2. Joint l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1
>> 3. Joint r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1
>>
>>
>>
>> Am hoping that someone can check that *everything* matches correctly --
>> hey, this should match your body too! Any remaining parent-child
>> relationship errors that are similar to yesterday’s errors should stand
>> out. All corrections are most welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is another great confirmation test to continue improving our
>> confidence when producing and diagnosing the correctness of HAnim models.
>> The autogeneration stylesheet and these results are all checked into
>> version control, and they are now part of our production chain for X3D4
>> validation. I will continue work on various other autogenerated
>> diagnostics (X3D Schematron, X3D Validator, X3D-Edit etc.) and report when
>> everything is ready.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks again to Joe and John for dogged persistence tracking down the
>> errors in the first place. Essential work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have fun with HAnim and X3D! 8)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> HAnim2 LOA4 Hierarchy from X3DUOM
>>
>> https://www.web3d.org/x3d/stylesheets/HAnimLOA4HierarchyTable.txt
>>
>>
>>
>> Authoritative reference: HAnim version 2, Part 1: Humanoid animation
>> (HAnim) architecture,
>>
>> clause 4 Concepts, section 4.9.6.4 LOA‑4 hierarchy
>>
>>
>> https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774/V2.0/Architecture/concepts.html#Hierarchy4
>>
>> clause 4 Concepts, Figure 4.7 — LOA‑4 joints
>>
>>
>> https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774/V2.0/Architecture/concepts.html#f-LOA4Joints
>>
>>
>>
>> humanoid_root : sacrum
>>
>> sacroiliac : pelvis
>>
>> | l_hip : l_thigh
>>
>> | | l_knee : l_calf
>>
>> | | l_talocrural : l_talus
>>
>> | | l_talocalcaneonavicular : l_navicular
>>
>> | | | l_cuneonavicular_1 : l_cuneiform_1
>>
>> | | | | l_tarsometatarsal_1 : l_metatarsal_1
>>
>> | | | | l_metatarsophalangeal_1 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_1
>>
>> | | | | l_tarsal_interphalangeal_1 : l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_1
>>
>> | | | l_cuneonavicular_2 : l_cuneiform_2
>>
>> | | | | l_tarsometatarsal_2 : l_metatarsal_2
>>
>> | | | | l_metatarsophalangeal_2 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_2
>>
>> | | | | l_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_2 :
>> l_tarsal_middle_phalanx_2
>>
>> | | | | l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2 :
>> l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_2
>>
>> | | | l_cuneonavicular_3 : l_cuneiform_3
>>
>> | | | l_tarsometatarsal_3 : l_metatarsal_3
>>
>> | | | l_metatarsophalangeal_3 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_3
>>
>> | | | l_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 :
>> l_tarsal_middle_phalanx_3
>>
>> | | | l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_3 :
>> l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_3
>>
>> | | l_calcaneocuboid : l_calcaneus
>>
>> | | l_transversetarsal : l_cuboid
>>
>> | | l_tarsometatarsal_4 : l_metatarsal_4
>>
>> | | | l_metatarsophalangeal_4 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_4
>>
>> | | | l_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 :
>> l_tarsal_middle_phalanx_4
>>
>> | | | l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_4 :
>> l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_4
>>
>> | | l_tarsometatarsal_5 : l_metatarsal_5
>>
>> | | l_metatarsophalangeal_5 : l_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_5
>>
>> | | l_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 :
>> l_tarsal_middle_phalanx_5
>>
>> | | l_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_5 :
>> l_tarsal_distal_phalanx_5
>>
>> | r_hip : r_thigh
>>
>> | r_knee : r_calf
>>
>> | r_talocrural : r_talus
>>
>> | r_talocalcaneonavicular : r_navicular
>>
>> | | r_cuneonavicular_1 : r_cuneiform_1
>>
>> | | | r_tarsometatarsal_1 : r_metatarsal_1
>>
>> | | | r_metatarsophalangeal_1 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_1
>>
>> | | | r_tarsal_interphalangeal_1 : r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_1
>>
>> | | r_cuneonavicular_2 : r_cuneiform_2
>>
>> | | | r_tarsometatarsal_2 : r_metatarsal_2
>>
>> | | | r_metatarsophalangeal_2 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_2
>>
>> | | | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_2 :
>> r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_2
>>
>> | | | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_2 :
>> r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_2
>>
>> | | r_cuneonavicular_3 : r_cuneiform_3
>>
>> | | r_tarsometatarsal_3 : r_metatarsal_3
>>
>> | | r_metatarsophalangeal_3 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_3
>>
>> | | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 :
>> r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_3
>>
>> | | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_3 :
>> r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_3
>>
>> | r_calcaneocuboid : r_calcaneus
>>
>> | r_transversetarsal : r_cuboid
>>
>> | r_tarsometatarsal_4 : r_metatarsal_4
>>
>> | | r_metatarsophalangeal_4 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_4
>>
>> | | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 :
>> r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_4
>>
>> | | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_4 :
>> r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_4
>>
>> | r_tarsometatarsal_5 : r_metatarsal_5
>>
>> | r_metatarsophalangeal_5 : r_tarsal_proximal_phalanx_5
>>
>> | r_tarsal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 :
>> r_tarsal_middle_phalanx_5
>>
>> | r_tarsal_distal_interphalangeal_5 :
>> r_tarsal_distal_phalanx_5
>>
>> vl5 : l5
>>
>> vl4 : l4
>>
>> vl3 : l3
>>
>> vl2 : l2
>>
>> vl1 : l1
>>
>> vt12 : t12
>>
>> vt11 : t11
>>
>> vt10 : t10
>>
>> vt9 : t9
>>
>> vt8 : t8
>>
>> vt7 : t7
>>
>> vt6 : t6
>>
>> vt5 : t5
>>
>> vt4 : t4
>>
>> vt3 : t3
>>
>> vt2 : t2
>>
>> vt1 : t1
>>
>> vc7 : c7
>>
>> | vc6 : c6
>>
>> | vc5 : c5
>>
>> | vc4 : c4
>>
>> | vc3 : c3
>>
>> | vc2 : c2
>>
>> | vc1 : c1
>>
>> | skullbase : skull
>>
>> | l_eyelid_joint :
>> l_eyelid
>>
>> | r_eyelid_joint :
>> r_eyelid
>>
>> | l_eyeball_joint :
>> l_eyeball
>>
>> | r_eyeball_joint :
>> r_eyeball
>>
>> | l_eyebrow_joint :
>> l_eyebrow
>>
>> | r_eyebrow_joint :
>> r_eyebrow
>>
>> | temporomandibular :
>> jaw
>>
>> l_sternoclavicular : l_clavicle
>>
>> | l_acromioclavicular : l_scapula
>>
>> | l_shoulder : l_upperarm
>>
>> | l_elbow : l_forearm
>>
>> | l_radiocarpal : l_carpal
>>
>> | l_midcarpal_1 : l_trapezium
>>
>> | | l_carpometacarpal_1 :
>> l_metacarpal_1
>>
>> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_1
>> : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_1
>>
>> | |
>> l_carpal_interphalangeal_1 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_1
>>
>> | l_midcarpal_2 : l_trapezoid
>>
>> | | l_carpometacarpal_2 :
>> l_metacarpal_2
>>
>> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_2
>> : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_2
>>
>> | |
>> l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_2 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_2
>>
>> | |
>> l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_2 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_2
>>
>> | l_midcarpal_3 : l_capitate
>>
>> | | l_carpometacarpal_3 :
>> l_metacarpal_3
>>
>> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_3
>> : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_3
>>
>> | |
>> l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_3
>>
>> | |
>> l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_3 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_3
>>
>> | l_midcarpal_4_5 : l_hamate
>>
>> | l_carpometacarpal_4 :
>> l_metacarpal_4
>>
>> | | l_metacarpophalangeal_4
>> : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_4
>>
>> | |
>> l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_4
>>
>> | |
>> l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_4 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_4
>>
>> | l_carpometacarpal_5 :
>> l_metacarpal_5
>>
>> | l_metacarpophalangeal_5
>> : l_carpal_proximal_phalanx_5
>>
>> |
>> l_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 : l_carpal_middle_phalanx_5
>>
>> |
>> l_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_5 : l_carpal_distal_phalanx_5
>>
>> r_sternoclavicular : r_clavicle
>>
>> r_acromioclavicular : r_scapula
>>
>> r_shoulder : r_upperarm
>>
>> r_elbow : r_forearm
>>
>> r_radiocarpal : r_carpal
>>
>> r_midcarpal_1 : r_trapezium
>>
>> | r_carpometacarpal_1 :
>> r_metacarpal_1
>>
>> | r_metacarpophalangeal_1
>> : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_1
>>
>> |
>> r_carpal_interphalangeal_1 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_1
>>
>> r_midcarpal_2 : r_trapezoid
>>
>> | r_carpometacarpal_2 :
>> r_metacarpal_2
>>
>> | r_metacarpophalangeal_2
>> : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_2
>>
>> |
>> r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_2 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_2
>>
>> |
>> r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_2 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_2
>>
>> r_midcarpal_3 : r_capitate
>>
>> | r_carpometacarpal_3 :
>> r_metacarpal_3
>>
>> | r_metacarpophalangeal_3
>> : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_3
>>
>> |
>> r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_3 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_3
>>
>> |
>> r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_3 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_3
>>
>> r_midcarpal_4_5 : r_hamate
>>
>> r_carpometacarpal_4 :
>> r_metacarpal_4
>>
>> | r_metacarpophalangeal_4
>> : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_4
>>
>> |
>> r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_4 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_4
>>
>> |
>> r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_4 : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_4
>>
>> r_carpometacarpal_5 :
>> r_metacarpal_5
>>
>> r_metacarpophalangeal_5
>> : r_carpal_proximal_phalanx_5
>>
>>
>> r_carpal_proximal_interphalangeal_5 : r_carpal_middle_phalanx_5
>>
>>
>> r_carpal_distal_interphalangeal_5
>> : r_carpal_distal_phalanx_5
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> all the best, Don
>>
>> --
>>
>> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>
>> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>> +1.831.656.2149
>>
>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://
>> faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2023 7:02 PM
>> *To:* Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>; John Carlson <
>> yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>;
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>> *Subject:* RE: HAnim Schematron output sampled
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for discussion Joe, really helpful. We definitely have had some
>> mixed signals here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Summary of changes we applied to HAnim schema relationships:
>>
>> 1. Joint vl5 has parent humanoid_root
>> 2. Joint l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1
>> 3. Joint r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1
>>
>>
>>
>> I will work on updating these corrections into all the tools accordingly
>> – X3DUOM, X3D Schematron, X3DJSAIL Java, X3DPSAIL Python, and X3D-Edit..
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks too for fixing multiple models together.
>>
>>
>>
>> Awesome work, sincere thanks, take care.
>>
>>
>>
>> all the best, Don
>>
>> --
>>
>> Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>
>> Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>> +1.831.656.2149
>>
>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://
>> faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 11:53 AM
>> *To:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu>; John Carlson <
>> yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Subject:* RE: HAnim Schematron output sampled
>>
>>
>>
>> - vl5 has parent humanoid_root rather than expected sacroiliac
>> - l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7
>> - r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7
>>
>>
>>
>> Don, these three items serve as a summary when processing a model that is
>> correct according to the diagram.
>>
>> Much to discuss regarding some existing examples.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:09 AM
>> *To: *Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>; John Carlson
>> <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: HAnim Schematron output sampled
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like progress, but not quite focused enough to make any fixes
>> yet…. Clarity his critical.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully you guys can create a simple list consisting of simple triplets:
>>
>> - suspect joint or segment name,
>> - the incorrect parent described in the X3D XML schema,, and
>> - the correct parent shown by the diagrams in the specifications.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there is such a simple list of a few names/errors/corrections
>> available, I hope to have some time Monday or Tuesday afternoon to work on
>> it together. Onward…
>>
>>
>>
>> v/r Don
>>
>> *From:* Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2023 11:07:06 PM
>> *To:* John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>; Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
>> brutzman at nps.edu>; X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org
>> >
>> *Subject:* RE: HAnim Schematron output sampled
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The expected ones are not correct. Vl5 is a child of root and sternos
>> and vc7 are childs of vt1. The schematron claims are wrong.
>>
>> The schematron is wrong according to the Concepts 4 diagrams for loa3 and
>> loa4.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Yes, vl5 is a child of sacroiliac, according to Joe.
>> X3DUOM/schematron wins!
>>
>>
>>
>> No, vl5 is a child of root. Schematron is wrong.
>>
>> The diagrams are correct.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:46 PM
>> *To: *Joe D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>; Don Brutzman
>> <brutzman at nps.edu>; X3D Graphics public mailing list
>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: HAnim Schematron output sampled
>>
>>
>> vl5 has parent humanoid_root rather than expected sacroiliac. Yes, vl5
>> is a child of sacroiliac, according to Joe. X3DUOM/schematron wins!
>>
>> l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7. Please
>> confirm.
>>
>> r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7. Please
>> confirm.
>>
>>
>>
>
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