[x3d-public] Removal of Layout component in X3D v4

[GPU Group]

PS I wonder if Scene could/should have an interface like a Proto, so can
in-route from hyper-scenery.
-Doug

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:36 PM GPU Group <gpugroup at gmail.com> wrote:

> Holger, Michalis et al,
> I third both motions.
> 1) Layout/Layer - I remember thinking there was something a bit strange
> and fuzzy-thought maybe Scene:Layer and Layout:Layer would make some sense
> as long as you can route or hyper-route between them, in other words
> instead of Layer as a node type buried in a scene, it could be a hyperscene
> of some sort.
> So maybe some refactoring. But seemed handy - I like it.
> 2) DIS - I implemented just so I could cross the FULL finish line for
> bragging rights, but no one has asked for it, and I keep it disabled in the
> browser unless specifically turned on by commandline option by user. It
> doesn't fit well with what we are doing -some military-specific nodes- but
> other multi-player designs might be interesting perhaps at a hyper-scene
> level rather than buried in scene nodes.
> Doug Sanden, FreeWRL
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 8:06 AM Michalis Kamburelis <
> michalis.kambi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From the point of view of Castle Game Engine / view3dscene, I can
>> support both Holger's suggestions :)
>>
>> 1. While we don't implement Layout component *yet* in CGE, it does
>> seem useful and users are actually asking me to implement it. So
>> (speaking for users) deprecating Layout does not seem desired.
>>
>>     (The reason why it's not implemented *yet* in CGE is that it
>> wasn't desperately needed, because in CGE we have a similar feature
>> covering similar use-case. CGE developer can use several
>> TCastleSceneManager or TCastleUserInterface Pascal components rendered
>> on top of each other. This covers similar use-cases as the X3D Layout
>> component. Although it is not available to X3D author (using only
>> view3dscene), it's only available to CGE developer designing the UI
>> using CGE components in Pascal.)
>>
>> 2. I don't think we will ever implement, or need, DIS in
>> CGE/view3dscene. DIS seems tailored to a specific use-case/application
>> of a military simulation.
>>
>>      While some terms of DIS (like "ammunition" or "detonations")
>> occur also in computer games, they would definitely not be expressed
>> by DIS nodes (because each game has very different needs here) by CGE
>> users. Thus, we have no chance of ever achieving "Full" profile
>> compatibility for X3D within CGE -- as "Full" includes DIS.
>>
>>     If DIS is indeed useful to particular military organizations,
>> perhaps the DIS component could be moved to a separate specification,
>> and not be part of the  "Full" profile? And if it's not used, the
>> simply deprecating it seems like a reasonable choice. I'm not aware of
>> any other 3D model format that contains this feature, at least in
>> "core".
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michalis
>>
>> wt., 8 paź 2019 o 09:46 Holger Seelig <holger.seelig at googlemail.com>
>> napisał(a):
>> >
>> > I don't see why the Layout component should be removed in the new X3D v4
>> > standard. It is fully implemented in X_ITE and Titania, and Titania has
>> > a nice Layout Editor, which makes the use of this component very easy.
>> > With the Layout component it is possible to place something in a corner
>> > or edge of the screen, or make something as large as the screen.
>> > Removing this component will removing these possibilities.
>> >
>> > I think a better candidate of removing a component is the DIS component.
>> > It is a component for purely military use, which I think has nothing to
>> > do with X3D standard. The only purpose of this component is to play war
>> > like in Counter-Strike, and to model war simulations for the army, which
>> > is not my intention.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Holger
>> >
>> >
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