[x3d-public] Again, RE: HAnim examples/tests

Wed Mar 25 13:33:58 PDT 2020

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:31 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Note, both LOA-4 examples are affected, AFAICT.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:28 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Using some UNIX tools, I was able to do some checking on the model in
>> AnnexA:  These are the names that appeared more than once in LOA-4, and the
>> number of times they appeared:
>>
>> $ grep name AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/^.*name/name/'|sort|uniq -c|sort
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>       2 name           "l_eyeball"
>>       2 name           "l_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>       2 name           "r_eyeball"
>>       2 name           "r_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>       3 name           "l_index_proximal"
>>       3 name           "r_index_proximal"
>>
>> Here are some DEFs that appear more than once:
>>
>> $ grep DEF AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/.*DEF/DEF/'|uniq -c|sort
>>
>>       2 DEF hanim_l_index_proximal Segment {
>>       2 DEF hanim_r_index_proximal Segment {
>>
>> There are DEFs among these that appear more than once, but have different
>> node types.
>>
>> $ grep DEF AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/.*DEF/DEF/' |sed 's/\(DEF [^ ]*\)
>> .*/\1/'|sort|uniq -c|sort
>>
>>       2 DEF hanim_l_eyeball
>>       2 DEF hanim_r_eyeball
>>       3 DEF hanim_l_index_proximal
>>       3 DEF hanim_r_index_proximal
>>
>> Recommend looking at:
>>
>>       2 name           "l_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>       2 name           "r_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>
>> For multiple DEFs
>>
>> These DEFs may be in several PROTOs, and probably? okay? not sure.
>>
>> Different LOA #'s mentioned in below snippet?
>>
>> DEF JointCenters_WorldInfo Group
>> {
>>  children [
>>   WorldInfo
>>   {
>>    title "HANIM 200x Default Joint Centers, *LOA‑4"*
>>    info [ "
>>      HANIM 200x Default Joint Centers, *Level-Of-Articulation 3*
>>
>>
>> Do you want me to do the editing on github and create a pull request on github?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:12 PM Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please See below
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:01 AM
>>> *To: *X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>; John
>>> Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject: *[x3d-public] Again, RE: HAnim examples/tests
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A.7.2.2 LOA‑4 Example with diamonds at Joint centres
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/BodyDimensionsAndLOAs.html#LOA4ExampleSourceWithDiamonds
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Important links and the example should run as published.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:08 PM
>>> *To: *Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>>> *Cc: *X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>>> *Subject: *HAnim examples/tests
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Hi Joe, do you prefer email or voice chat?  I am much less apt to
>>>    call you, but it's probably good to have an initial meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Call me with the number I sent, or use this or hanim list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - I'm going to look around the X3d Resource Examples, and I know
>>>    you've got a set of examples too.  I'll look around for what I have of
>>>    yours. I can't find it right away, but I'll look under People next.  I
>>>    found your examples in my Downloads folder. Yay!  You are now in
>>>    ~/People/Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fun happens where you find it. I’d like to see you be able to run the
>>> latest loa4 example.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Okay, assuming you know what you sent me, what needs to be changed
>>>    about the various models you sent me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure but I’m certain it was great stuff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Also, note that I am a VRML newb.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Youjust think you are. It is all very logical and we can use the xml or
>>> anything else you want as long as it runs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Do you use BS Contact?  I think I have that!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far most runs anywhere x3d except some may not do skin.
>>>
>>> BSContact is my standard for this right now but all do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Is there an HAnim tutorial written yet?  Should I begin writing
>>>    one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Somewhat. The thing to start with is that there is a humanoid space, a
>>> skeleton space and a skin space, so far.
>>>
>>> To me, they work best when they are all the same space.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > develop test cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that.  Thanks to Joe
>>> for pointing me there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can talk with you about hanim examples/tests most any time,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and Best,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:23 PM
>>> *To: *Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu>
>>> *Cc: *Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch at gmail.com>; Katie Unger
>>> <kunger at ssdllc.biz>; X3D Graphics public mailing list
>>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [x3d-public] JSweet translation of X3DJSAIL to
>>> JavaScript: needspecific design goals first
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps I haven’t been clear.   I see my position @ Web3d as a tester,
>>>  thus I expect to collaborate with other stakeholders to create test cases
>>> or example behaviors we want the system to perform.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have abundant XML that I can generate test cases from.   I’m not
>>> generating code out of the blue.   I have a goal of generating code out of
>>> the blue, but that’s a long term goal.   This would be done to do code
>>> coverage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I accidentally fell into a library writer position when we got to python.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I added my JSONParser to the browsers because no one was doing it, and I
>>> needed a real environment to test in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t see anything wrong with generating different versions of
>>> HelloWorld.js.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I resign from library development.   If someone wants me to develop test
>>> cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that.  Thanks to Joe for pointing me
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a tester, I build code that I assert will not work, or I check the
>>> XML to see if the scene is supposed to fail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The test cases for node are currently failing big time, I know.   I know
>>> I use methods instead of array access.   That needs to be fixed.   There
>>> are properties in the SAI I haven’t really spotted in the X3DUOM, so
>>> perhaps I need to look harder.   I need to add route methods to my
>>> serializer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:23 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Design goal:  add existing X3D ecmascript SAI to HTML5 (chrome) and
>>> node.js
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tend to work from examples rather than specifications.  Once we have
>>> our test cases, we can start coding the library, using “test driven
>>> development.”  or “behavior driven development.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will build an npm environment, probably using webpack and yarn, and a
>>> suitable test framework.   Then I will start coding tests using  the test
>>> framework.   I believe we can use phantomjs or similar to run test cases in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will look for the Transform example.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good news is I’m saving enough money on “shelter in place “ to afford a
>>> Web3d membership.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:44 PM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/24/2020 3:48 PM, John Carlson wrote:
>>> > It seems like you have issues with the “generate first” approach. [...]
>>>
>>> Yes.  Don't do that.  Don't even bother thinking about that.
>>>
>>> Please look again at what I wrote.  You need specific design goals first.
>>>
>>> all the best, Don
>>> --
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>>> brutzman at nps.edu
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>>> http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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