[x3d-public] Again, RE: HAnim examples/tests

[John Carlson]

Say, where is a VRML Validator? !!!!

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:33 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will download X3D-Edit and do some validation on the files, or go to the
> validation site @ savage.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:31 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Note, both LOA-4 examples are affected, AFAICT.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:28 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Using some UNIX tools, I was able to do some checking on the model in
>>> AnnexA:  These are the names that appeared more than once in LOA-4, and the
>>> number of times they appeared:
>>>
>>> $ grep name AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/^.*name/name/'|sort|uniq -c|sort
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>       2 name           "l_eyeball"
>>>       2 name           "l_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>>       2 name           "r_eyeball"
>>>       2 name           "r_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>>       3 name           "l_index_proximal"
>>>       3 name           "r_index_proximal"
>>>
>>> Here are some DEFs that appear more than once:
>>>
>>> $ grep DEF AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/.*DEF/DEF/'|uniq -c|sort
>>>
>>>       2 DEF hanim_l_index_proximal Segment {
>>>       2 DEF hanim_r_index_proximal Segment {
>>>
>>> There are DEFs among these that appear more than once, but have
>>> different node types.
>>>
>>> $ grep DEF AnnexA.x3dv | sed 's/.*DEF/DEF/' |sed 's/\(DEF [^ ]*\)
>>> .*/\1/'|sort|uniq -c|sort
>>>
>>>       2 DEF hanim_l_eyeball
>>>       2 DEF hanim_r_eyeball
>>>       3 DEF hanim_l_index_proximal
>>>       3 DEF hanim_r_index_proximal
>>>
>>> Recommend looking at:
>>>
>>>       2 name           "l_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>>       2 name           "r_femoral_lateral_epicn"
>>>
>>> For multiple DEFs
>>>
>>> These DEFs may be in several PROTOs, and probably? okay? not sure.
>>>
>>> Different LOA #'s mentioned in below snippet?
>>>
>>> DEF JointCenters_WorldInfo Group
>>> {
>>>  children [
>>>   WorldInfo
>>>   {
>>>    title "HANIM 200x Default Joint Centers, *LOA‑4"*
>>>    info [ "
>>>      HANIM 200x Default Joint Centers, *Level-Of-Articulation 3*
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you want me to do the editing on github and create a pull request on github?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:12 PM Joseph D Williams <
>>> joedwil at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please See below
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:01 AM
>>>> *To: *X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>; John
>>>> Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject: *[x3d-public] Again, RE: HAnim examples/tests
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A.7.2.2 LOA‑4 Example with diamonds at Joint centres
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-1/V2.0/HAnim/BodyDimensionsAndLOAs.html#LOA4ExampleSourceWithDiamonds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Important links and the example should run as published.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:08 PM
>>>> *To: *Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
>>>> *Cc: *X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>>>> *Subject: *HAnim examples/tests
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Hi Joe, do you prefer email or voice chat?  I am much less apt to
>>>>    call you, but it's probably good to have an initial meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Call me with the number I sent, or use this or hanim list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - I'm going to look around the X3d Resource Examples, and I know
>>>>    you've got a set of examples too.  I'll look around for what I have of
>>>>    yours. I can't find it right away, but I'll look under People next.  I
>>>>    found your examples in my Downloads folder. Yay!  You are now in
>>>>    ~/People/Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fun happens where you find it. I’d like to see you be able to run the
>>>> latest loa4 example.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Okay, assuming you know what you sent me, what needs to be
>>>>    changed about the various models you sent me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not sure but I’m certain it was great stuff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Also, note that I am a VRML newb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Youjust think you are. It is all very logical and we can use the xml or
>>>> anything else you want as long as it runs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Do you use BS Contact?  I think I have that!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So far most runs anywhere x3d except some may not do skin.
>>>>
>>>> BSContact is my standard for this right now but all do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - Is there an HAnim tutorial written yet?  Should I begin writing
>>>>    one?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Somewhat. The thing to start with is that there is a humanoid space, a
>>>> skeleton space and a skin space, so far.
>>>>
>>>> To me, they work best when they are all the same space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for looking
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Joseph D Williams <
>>>> joedwil at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > develop test cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that.  Thanks to Joe
>>>> for pointing me there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can talk with you about hanim examples/tests most any time,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and Best,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:23 PM
>>>> *To: *Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu>
>>>> *Cc: *Andreas Plesch <andreasplesch at gmail.com>; Katie Unger
>>>> <kunger at ssdllc.biz>; X3D Graphics public mailing list
>>>> <x3d-public at web3d.org>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [x3d-public] JSweet translation of X3DJSAIL to
>>>> JavaScript: needspecific design goals first
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I haven’t been clear.   I see my position @ Web3d as a tester,
>>>>  thus I expect to collaborate with other stakeholders to create test cases
>>>> or example behaviors we want the system to perform.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have abundant XML that I can generate test cases from.   I’m not
>>>> generating code out of the blue.   I have a goal of generating code out of
>>>> the blue, but that’s a long term goal.   This would be done to do code
>>>> coverage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I accidentally fell into a library writer position when we got to
>>>> python.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I added my JSONParser to the browsers because no one was doing it, and
>>>> I needed a real environment to test in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don’t see anything wrong with generating different versions of
>>>> HelloWorld.js.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I resign from library development.   If someone wants me to develop
>>>> test cases for x3d4 or HAnim, I will do that.  Thanks to Joe for pointing
>>>> me there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a tester, I build code that I assert will not work, or I check the
>>>> XML to see if the scene is supposed to fail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The test cases for node are currently failing big time, I know.   I
>>>> know I use methods instead of array access.   That needs to be fixed.
>>>> There are properties in the SAI I haven’t really spotted in the X3DUOM, so
>>>> perhaps I need to look harder.   I need to add route methods to my
>>>> serializer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:23 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Design goal:  add existing X3D ecmascript SAI to HTML5 (chrome) and
>>>> node.js
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tend to work from examples rather than specifications.  Once we have
>>>> our test cases, we can start coding the library, using “test driven
>>>> development.”  or “behavior driven development.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will build an npm environment, probably using webpack and yarn, and
>>>> a suitable test framework.   Then I will start coding tests using  the test
>>>> framework.   I believe we can use phantomjs or similar to run test cases in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will look for the Transform example.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good news is I’m saving enough money on “shelter in place “ to afford a
>>>> Web3d membership.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:44 PM Don Brutzman <brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 3/24/2020 3:48 PM, John Carlson wrote:
>>>> > It seems like you have issues with the “generate first” approach.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Yes.  Don't do that.  Don't even bother thinking about that.
>>>>
>>>> Please look again at what I wrote.  You need specific design goals
>>>> first.
>>>>
>>>> all the best, Don
>>>> --
>>>> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>>>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>>> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>>>>  +1.831.656.2149
>>>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
>>>> http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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