[x3d-public] X3D4 Working Group agenda, 20 OCT 2022: discuss possible Avatar strategy

John Carlson yottzumm at gmail.com
Thu Oct 20 19:49:17 PDT 2022


Well, these guys might have a trove of mocap:

https://www.kinatrax.com/

Madden 2022 for football?

I’m trying this more from a more prompt engineering point of view, but i
guess motion diffusion modeling is still a proposal.

Diffusion Superbowl this year?  ;)

John

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:31 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m googling, baseball filetype:bvh and catcher filetype:bvh
>
> I guess I should look for baseball humor?
>
>  What’s Ricky Henderson’s stolen bvh record?
>
> I will work looking for mocap.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 1:21 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
> brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi John.  Good ideas, thanks for sharing them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once again, it appears as if all the capabilities necessary to accomplish
>> that are defined in X3D4 with immense sets of BVH captures available out
>> there.  Good hunting, sir.
>>
>>
>>
>>    - X3D4 Architecture, 26.3.4 HAnimMotion
>>    -
>>    https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-DIS/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimMotion
>>
>>
>>
>>    - HAnim 2.0 Part 2:  Humanoid animation (HAnim) motion data
>>    animation, 4 Concepts
>>    -
>>    https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-2/V2.0/MotionDataAnimation/Concepts.html
>>
>>
>>
>> all the best, Don
>>
>> --
>>
>> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>
>> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>> +1.831.656.2149
>>
>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://
>> faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2022 10:46 AM
>> *To:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu>
>> *Cc:* X3D Public Mailing List (x3d-public at web3d.org) <
>> x3d-public at web3d.org>; h-anim at web3d.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [x3d-public] X3D4 Working Group agenda, 20 OCT 2022:
>> discuss possible Avatar strategy
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmm.  I suggest extending the BVH to include multifigure collaborative
>> motions like dancing (think Virginia Reel) and sports.  That is, some kind
>> of composed BVH with multiple avatars.
>>
>>
>>
>> This may already be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:46 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
>> brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
>>
>> X3D Working Group meets weekly for continued advancement of the X3D4
>> Specifications.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·        Meeting time 09-1000 pacific, each Friday
>>
>> ·
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>> ·        https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information
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>>
>>
>> Here is a “new” proposed strategy, trying to say crisply the many
>> essential ideas that are well known already by active participants in the
>> X3D community.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *(draft)* Avatar Strategy: Open, Interoperable, Personal, Secure
>>
>>
>>
>> No standardized definition for “avatars” is provided in X3D4, but…
>>
>>
>>
>> ·        Many alternatives are possible, the “X” in “X3D” is Extensible.
>> Vive la difference!
>>
>> ·        X3D includes multiple levels of detail (LOD) if progressive
>> avatar fidelity desired, this is essential for hugely scalable worlds.
>>
>> ·        Most powerful Web3D example design to date:  Silhouette Avatars
>> by IVN, https://ivn.net
>> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fivn.net%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cd934066c06b54d9e5f2908dab2c300ef%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638018848839423330%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CtDmvmFFwBAvZim267Kyo9joM1Ey7g%2BuVb%2F9TgeMhy8%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> ·        Metadata for identity, secure digital signature and even
>> encryption is possible.
>>
>> ·        Composing 3D scans and motion-capture (mocap) data for full
>> avatar realism remains really interesting!  Interesting progress continues
>> on this challenge.
>>
>>
>>
>> X3D Working Group intends to demonstrate whatever avatar definitions are
>> agreed upon by Metaverse Standards Forum.  We expect to show full matching
>> Implementation and Evaluation using X3D, learning further what avatar
>> designs work well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let’s discuss please.  All inputs and discussion welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Corresponding Web3D member-only draft slideset available at
>>
>>    - Representing Metaverse Humans with Open Standards
>>    - Humanoid Animation (HAnim) and X3D4 ISO Specification Support
>>    - Web3D Consortium Communications Team
>>    -
>>    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13yAhoU9h7Buy5fUjSpPoOHYVJ6dgJDYulDS9Ze8na4M/edit#slide=id.p
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Have fun with X3D, Human Animation and Avatars!  8)
>>
>>
>>
>> all the best, Don
>>
>> --
>>
>> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
>> brutzman at nps.edu
>>
>> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
>> +1.831.656.2149
>>
>> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://
>> faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>>
>>
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