[x3d-public] HAnim Schematron output sampled + table and comment

[Joseph D Williams]

Thanks John, fine work. 
The table shows schema problems relative to the loa3 and loa4 diagrams when processing a model that is correct according to diagrams. 
I am just adding my comments to this.


On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:53 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
Joint



Incorrect parent/correct sibling
correct parent

vl5


sacroiliac
humanoid_root
l_sternoclavicular
vc7 (LOA4), vc4 (LOA2--have only checked hierarchy diagram, may be correct in schema)

vt1
r|_sternoclavicular
vc7 (LOA4), vc4 (LOA2--have only checked hierarchy diagram, may be correct in schema)

vt1

Just more comment where the three * items below are messages from schema processing.
‘Correct’ means according to loa3 and loa4 diagrams. 

• vl5 has parent humanoid_root rather than expected sacroiliac  

The schema shows sacro as parent to vl5 and l_ and r_hips. 
Correct is root parents sacro and vl5; sacro parents l_ and r_hips.

• l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7
• r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7 

The schema shows vc7 as parent to vc6 and r_ and l_sterno. 
Correct is vt1 parents vc7 and r_ and l_sterno. 

Much to discuss regarding some existing examples. 
Joe
 

From: John Carlson
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 12:07 PM
To: Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV); X3D Graphics public mailing list; Joe D Williams
Subject: Re: HAnim Schematron output sampled

Table fixed (had extra l):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nCid9PQCADgsTFzZOWUwKd_tNgn3yEMT17CwF0SnhA/edit?usp=sharing

Let's try to work on this document for clarity, and share link to group.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:53 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:
Joint



Incorrect parent/correct sibling
correct parent

vl5


sacroiliac
humanoid_root
l_sternoclavicular
vc7 (LOA4), vc4 (LOA2--have only checked hierarchy diagram, may be correct in schema)

vt1
r|_sternoclavicular
vc7 (LOA4), vc4 (LOA2--have only checked hierarchy diagram, may be correct in schema)

vt1
LOA2 hierarchy diagram has a different sibling, but the right parent for the latter two. Since I am not based on schema, schematron or X3DUOM, I don't have to accommodate this.

I am doing LOA4.

LOA4 and LOA2 pictures included, highlighting areas where there was confusion.

Please read back your understanding.





On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 12:09 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu> wrote:
Sounds like progress, but not quite focused enough to make any fixes yet…. Clarity his critical. 

Hopefully you guys can create a simple list consisting of simple triplets:
• suspect joint or segment name, 
• the incorrect parent described in the X3D XML schema,, and 
• the correct parent shown by the diagrams in the specifications.

If there is such a simple list of a few names/errors/corrections available, I hope to have some time Monday or Tuesday afternoon to work on it together.  Onward…

v/r Don

From: Joseph D Williams <joedwil at earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 11:07:06 PM
To: John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com>; Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu>; X3D Graphics public mailing list <x3d-public at web3d.org>
Subject: RE: HAnim Schematron output sampled 
 
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Hi, 
The expected ones are not correct.  Vl5 is a child of root and sternos and vc7 are childs of vt1. The schematron claims are wrong. 
The schematron is wrong according to the Concepts 4 diagrams for loa3 and loa4. 
 
• Yes, vl5 is a child of sacroiliac, according to Joe.   X3DUOM/schematron wins!
 
No, vl5 is a child of root. Schematron is wrong.
The diagrams are correct. 
Joe
 
From: John Carlson
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:46 PM
To: Joe D Williams; Don Brutzman; X3D Graphics public mailing list
Subject: Re: HAnim Schematron output sampled
 
 
 

vl5 has parent humanoid_root rather than expected sacroiliac.  Yes, vl5 is a child of sacroiliac, according to Joe.   X3DUOM/schematron wins!
l_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7.  Please confirm.
r_sternoclavicular has parent vt1 rather than expected vc7.  Please confirm. 
 
 
 
 

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