[x3d-public] Browser Comparison > sorting, Levels for GLTF and HTML

Tue Jan 31 12:02:46 PST 2023

Please send all changes to me (Don Brutzman) and cc: X3D-Public list.  If there is discussion we get to it Fridays.  If people send something way convoluted then nothing happens.  Same as always.

all the best, Don

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Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br        brutzman at nps.edu

Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA    +1.831.656.2149

X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
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Don how do I submit changes to the archival quality spreadsheet you gave a link to?
Thanks, Doug

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:59 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <brutzman at nps.edu<mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>> wrote:

John, why not use our published links?  I won’t be maintaining documents at Google Docs links, they are not archival.

  *   https://www.web3d.org/specifications
  *   Updated. X3D Node Inventory Comparison<https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.xlsx> (.pdf<https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.pdf>) shows node-by-node implementation coverage of the X3D Abstract Specification: validation using X3D Schema, X3D DOCTYPE, and X3D Schematron; X3D Tooltips and VRML97 node sets; plus selected open-source implementations: FreeWrl, X3DOM, X_ITE, view3dscene (Castle Game Engine), X3D-Edit, Xj3D.
  *   https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.xlsx
  *   https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3dNodeInventoryComparison.pdf

As ever, I am happy to integrate and publish all changes and additions to the spreadsheet.  It is also maintained in version control so that we have the reliability of a full change-by-change history.

  *   https://sourceforge.net/p/x3d/code/HEAD/tree/www.web3d.org/specifications<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fp%2Fx3d%2Fcode%2FHEAD%2Ftree%2Fwww.web3d.org%2Fspecifications&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Ce7c3c65aec6945863cd508db03c3036e%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638107908335380807%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jYTmkkCQa%2B2R38DNjxZzsOpie%2BygLH2kZZQxWQvgUT8%3D&reserved=0>

If the spreadsheet above contains macros that should be removed, we can work on that.  Meanwhile the PDF version (published from the spreadsheet) should be secure to everyone’s satisfaction, on whatever operating system and tool setup that they are using.

Some of your notes below sound pretty extensive… feel free to explore new comparisons using whatever document you like, we can integrate later once it reaches some level of stability.

Further improvements always welcome, this is a recurring weekly topic on X3D Working Group videoconferences.  Again thanks for further pursuit of progress.

all the best, Don

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Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br        brutzman at nps.edu<mailto:brutzman at nps.edu>

Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA    +1.831.656.2149

X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https:// faculty.nps.edu/brutzman<http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman>

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Subject: [x3d-public] Browser Comparison > sorting, Levels for GLTF and HTML

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pJ4vuOAAH_rToCsDNlKqrWv7QvlLmX1f/view?usp=share_link<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1pJ4vuOAAH_rToCsDNlKqrWv7QvlLmX1f%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dshare_link&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Ce7c3c65aec6945863cd508db03c3036e%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638107908335537042%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hf8l0%2F6TaTF%2BNJwNEJYKM7v2OS%2F3gueEMqIiAMOnCeM%3D&reserved=0>

X3DNode_DRAFT2.xlsm - has VB macros

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p51wgwlGxUfgWOaCM6QkJ9AJ6VONimYu/edit?usp=share_link&ouid=100938900505038082978&rtpof=true&sd=true<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheets%2Fd%2F1p51wgwlGxUfgWOaCM6QkJ9AJ6VONimYu%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dshare_link%26ouid%3D100938900505038082978%26rtpof%3Dtrue%26sd%3Dtrue&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Ce7c3c65aec6945863cd508db03c3036e%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638107908335537042%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uGd4Xy6SnYKdhjGPwM7olPK9pGaeNF71YFHewXSGyNM%3D&reserved=0>

X3DNode_DRAFT2.xlsx

the xlsm variant has 2 recorded macros for sorting

SORT_BY_NODENAME

SORT_BY_COMPONENT

Suggested enhancements:

Levels of GLTF support

Level 0 None

Level 1 .gltf loaded as Inline, basic geometry with materials

Level 2 any enhancements over Level 1: .glb, loading materials as library for use in x3d scene, animations and skinning

Levels of HTML support

Level 0 None

Level 1 hybrid, can show html and scene but no standard communicatio between layers / frames

Level 2 standardized way to communicate between scene and html

Level 3 full integration

-Doug
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